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Welcome to the line within us, a podcast, serving Christian men who were hungry to be the leaders. They are predestined to be. I’m your host, Chris. Let’s jump in now, today, we’re going to be doing a coaching one-on-one session and we’re going to be focused on the bucket of self, right? That’s an area we really focus on on the line with Dennis.

And for this one, we’re going to be talking about planning for the future. God’s way and that’s the big difference. So to do this, I brought in my friend, bill and good dealing hate doing man. Good. How are you? I am doing good. I’m excited to talk with you about doing things god’s way.

01:43 Dylan

Yeah. Thanks for having me on.

01:44 Chris

Absolutely. Absolutely. My friend, absolutely. Now Dylan and I, we, we actually, we do, we do a lot of things together. He Amanda’s brother Ethan. When he, we run together, we go to church. And I’ve kind of tried to be somewhat of a mentor for these guys. They do stuff the right way. Both of them, him and his brother.

Uh they’re. They’re godly guys. They’re. Uh, just getting started in the next part of their life and part of your journey. So I thought it’d be kind of cool to have coaching one-on-one Hey, we have a lot of these conversations out on the gauntlet when we’re, when we’re running and doing some fun stuff.

Right. So we thought, well, you know what, let’s just put a camera in front of us and talk about some of this stuff. So, you know, right now, Dylan, he’s planning for his future and he’s trying to do it the right way. So when we send out. We spent some time in the scripture and we came down to a couple of verses.

And so, so guys out there Proverbs 16, nine, it’s the first verse that came to mind and I love it. Cause it says we can make our own plans, but the Lord determines our steps. That’s a powerful one in it. Yeah. It ain’t what we want to do sometimes for sure. Is there a great verse? It is. It is not a second verse that we came up.

This is actually in my living room. This was at my wedding. It was put on a beautiful piece of woods. So I literally look at this verse every day,

03:07 Dylan

pretty popular verse two.

03:08 Chris

It was a popular verse, Jeremiah 29 11. And it’s that’s, that’s out there. It says for, I know the plans I have for you declares the Lord plans to prosper you and not to harm you plans to give you a hope and a future.

And as a man, that’s getting ready to end. The next stage of your life, how does that make you feel

03:31 Dylan

hopeful for sure.

03:32 Chris

Got that right.

03:33 Dylan

It’s still nervous, but I mean,

03:35 Chris

it’s okay. Be a little nervous, right? Because it’s a big step. You know, what you’re getting ready to go into is a, it’s a big step. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s good that you have that nurse because.

I think you, you, in particular, I want to do it God’s way. And that’s important. So maybe get these, these guys, let them get to know you a little bit about your story, a bit about your background. I had to get to where you at right now.

Well, throughout like high school, I went to an early college, so just basically a normal high school, but I have college classes like mixed into it.

So, and I would do like a couple every year along with my, my, my normal high school classes. So I have all my pre prerequisite classes out of the way. Right. So

a good for you, by the way, that’s a touchdown right there.

04:21 Dylan

Yeah. I’m pretty, pretty happy about that. It makes life a lot easier, but

04:25 Chris

it makes it a lot cheaper too, buddy.

Yeah.

04:29 Dylan

Yeah, I have all that out of the way. And I’ve already applied for colleges and whatnot, but I’m also, I’m not even sure if I want to go, because I feel like I’m kind of inter like, I wouldn’t mind looking into trade schools or like entrepreneurial stuff maybe, but. I mean, I don’t know. I just, I kinda just wanna want to make money really, but I want to make money doing something that I’m going to enjoy.

You know, we all

04:55 Chris

want to make money, baby, but you gotta, gotta be careful. You want to do it. Like you said, God’s way, you know, and making sure that we’re following his plan. So. One thing that I start thinking about when I travel, when I coach people through stuff. And I know we’ve talked about it is, is what are you passionate about?

You know? So if you think about your passion, it’s the things that get you excited, you know? Cause if we can figure out a way to let you get paid for some of those passions, that’s a touchdown. Right? So maybe walk through that a little bit. What are some of those paths?

05:26 Dylan

Well, I mean, I really like, I really like shoes.

I really like basketball. Okay. Okay. Those are two big ones. And then on, I, I like, I like talking to people, but I also wouldn’t mind if I did something where I didn’t have to talk to a lot of people. So I feel like I have a lot of options, I guess,

05:43 Chris

in that sense. Right. That’s right. There’s something to be said about quiet.

Yeah. Right. And you are, you do have a little bit of that, more quiet personality I’ve picked up from time to time. You know, I can, you have your moments, you have your moments. So I mean, shoes, basketball, you know, inside out. So maybe think about thinking about that. Ideally, would you be inside? Would you be outside?

Do you want a mix? Do you want some flexibility? I wouldn’t

06:12 Dylan

mind something where I was like, maybe moving around her a lot, a lot, but I mean, if it came to outsider inside, I’d probably rather be inside rather than doing something in the hot sun all day or, I mean, yeah, so we,

06:25 Chris

we live in North Carolina, so it can get kinda, kinda.

In the summer. Right, right.

06:32 Dylan

Unpredictable

06:32 Chris

weather for sure. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, no doubt about that. I’ll go back to that. So, you know, you got some passions, I’m curious about the basketball and the shoes. What do you think you could do with that? If you’re passionate about that? What could be a

06:46 Dylan

path there? Well, for the shoes, at least I, uh, I bought a couple of them during black Friday at a, at a, at a store for way underneath, like what they were, what their worth they were used.

So they were obviously a little cheaper. Even use shoes, the ones I bought, I bought them for way underneath what they were worth. And some of them I could sell for like double or triple what I bought them for. It’s just, it’s a matter of people actually buying them instead of them just sitting in my room.

07:14 Chris

Yeah. You got to find that market. I mean, that’s, that’s a part of it, for sure. So, you know, when you start thinking about, you mentioned, you know, you’re in a college prep type school right now that was getting you. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s your only option. Yeah, for sure. You know what I’m saying?

And I feel like so many times. That’s what’s painted for particularly well, men in general is, you know, w what’s the first thing you think about w as you’ll get older, when you walk up to someone, you ask them, well, what do you do? Like, we feel like we’re defined by our careers, right? And that’s not always the case, man.

I mean, there’s more to us than that. God made us more than that. So, you know, there’s, I really like how you’re, you’re taking your time. And keeping your options open.

08:01 Dylan

Yeah, that, that was a priority for me since I didn’t know what I wanted to do cause that’s not something I intended to have to struggle with at this point in my life. So I feel like at the very least I can do is just keep my options on the table.

08:13 Chris

For sure. I’ve seen so many people just jump in to school and go knee deep in debt, not knowing what they want to do. And then next thing you know, you know, they. Like change majors. Yeah.

08:25 Dylan

They try to figure it out while they’re there.

08:27 Chris

They’re like you can’t, you know, you don’t just like learn the game in the game. Like exactly. You, you gotta do some prep, works and practice and understand that, you know, where are you trying to go? And that’s how you get better. I mean, I know, you know, you lift too, like he started lifting weights. He’s going to be a big, big guy so far.

So like, you know, you learning to get to that. It’s the same thing. You learn those fundamentals, you stretch yourself, you set your goals, then you didn’t, you didn’t, you do the next one, same thing with your career and figuring out your next pass is okay. First, figuring out what you’re good at and what you enjoy, and then start throwing some energy and some mind. So some montage into that so that you can see. What that path may look like, right?

09:09 Dylan

Yeah. It’s like finding something that you want to, like for the gym example, it’s like finding something you want to improve on learning how to like, go about it properly with like good form and whatnot, and then just being persistent from there.

09:22 Chris

Right. That’s right. And this is so important, so important.

09:26 Dylan

Just find what you want to do. And then just be passionate, like be persistent in running out to do that the right way. Right. You know?

09:33 Chris

No doubt. So I’ll tell you, you know, when, when you start thinking about evaluating, you know, those next steps, a lot of it comes down to, to who you listen to, right?

Who you take advice from and who you probably shouldn’t listen to. So let’s take a quick break and then we’ll jump in and talk about, you know, who we should actually be listened to as golly, man.

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all right, guys, I’m back here with Dylan. So we’ve been talking a lot about. Uh, planning for the future God’s way. Cause you know, that’s first and foremost, that is most important. You know, we have sure. We don’t want to just lay out a path that we think is good and God is sitting there trying to scream at us that no, this is not the path we want you to go.

They’re like, dude, I want you to go this way. But too many times we have our blinders on, you know, just think about the horses out there and we put those blinders on. They go one way and they have no clue. To the world that exists. So I’m curious for, for high school guy just finished up high school. Who are you listening to? Like who are you trying to get your advice from for those next steps?

11:46 Dylan

Well, definitely my parents for sure, because they know me better than pretty much everybody. So their, their insights on like what they think I’d be good at or should look into is obviously very valuable to me. And then just my. My dad tries to, he tries to tell me, like, if I don’t want to go to college, don’t just jump right into it, which I totally agree with.

But I mean, he’s recommended a lot of stuff. Like, you know, like maybe looking into real estate or other like trade schools is something that he’s not entirely against, or maybe like working with him. Yeah. So I have a lot of options on that side of the table. Well, he works for an environmental company, but I mean, he’s not really doing plant stuff.

He’s, he’s a manager and his job is to get clients for the company. So a normal day for him would be him driving around, meeting with new clients and then seeing what they need done and then gauging. What a fair price would be for that job. And one thing he really likes about his he’s not cooped up in an office all day, kind of stays fresh on like from day to day. And it doesn’t get as boring as quickly because he likes to stay, stay busy and active, you know?

12:57 Chris

And it sounds like it also with his career path, there’s a lot of autonomy. There’s a lot of flexibility. You know, when you think about, you know, in, in the business world right now, the. That are trying to get people like you to come to work for them.

They’re realizing they have to offer different things. So like right now it’s all about flexibility and benefits. Like if you to get people to come and work for you, you better have some good benefits and you better have some flexibility in your schedule. They’re not going to come work for you. Right. So, I mean, you got to keep that in mind.

So, I mean, it sounds like your dad’s got a really interesting path because he’s got a lot of that. He could be outside, he kind of set his own schedule and things like that.

13:39 Dylan

Yeah. He gets guess it stays pretty fresh for him. And I mean, every like once a month he does have to go into the office. That’s the one thing he doesn’t like, but right.

13:48 Chris

We know we all don’t like that. That’s right. But you know, when you start thinking about. You could always lay out like a pro and con list. Right. Kind of lay, like what’s important to you for the future, uh, things that you’d want to have from a benefit standpoint. And what’s, you know, what’s not, you know, w w what’s what do you want to make sure you stay away from then they give you some ideas, you know?

14:12 Dylan

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, one benefit that would be cool in my career is like some, like a 401k through my, through the business or something like. That’s that’s all, that’s definitely a big one for sure. Some negatives. I mean, I wouldn’t prefer to work in the hot sun all day from my career, you know?

14:30 Chris

Well, I mean, it’s all, these are all things you, and you have time to evaluate.

14:34 Dylan

Yeah. So definitely need to take time thinking about that for sure.

14:36 Chris

Got that right. You got that right. And the cool part about Dylan, what you’re doing, you’re listening to your parents and you have golly parents who are giving you golly advice. Who else? I mean, who else would have you what’d you listen to for, for career guidance or just guidance on your, on your own, your path in general?

14:54 Dylan

Well, my grandfather is a pretty big one because he’s had a pretty successful career in banking or he did earlier in his life. And now he’s, he’s doing he his own company. So he’s an entrepreneur in a way. So he has a lot of experience in a lot of different fields. He worked his way up in a big bank in Florida.

So he knows a lot about that side of the. Yeah, it’s, it’s pretty good. And then his company, he knows a lot about how to start a businesses and stuff like that. So that’s all really valuable information that I really like to seek out with him.

15:22 Chris

So you have some entrepreneur and. Yeah, that’s cool. That’s cool.

So, I mean, that’s a whole different game, right? For sure. That’s a different mindset. You are literally your own boss. You know, if you don’t work, you don’t eat, you kill what you eat type of thing. Exactly. Or eat what you kill rather type of thing. So it’s, it’s, that’s an interesting passage. Do you think that’d be, uh, uh, something that you would want to.

15:48 Dylan

I mean, sure. I’m definitely interested in, if I find something that I really like to do, or I could start a business, then I’d probably be really fun, you know? Yeah. But I mean, when you’re thinking about being an entrepreneur, there’s pretty much everything falls on onto you, you know, like you got to pay your employees, you got to make sure you got to make close deals or whatever you might be doing.

There’s a lot that falls onto you. So it can be kind of intimidating and seem pretty complicated. But I feel like if you find something that you’re really passionate yeah. All of that stuff might not matter. It might make it more fun. You never know.

16:19 Chris

And it wouldn’t, you know, and if, if God, you know, going back to Jeremiah 29 11, if that’s the path that he’s declared for you, you know, it’s going to be prosperous.

It doesn’t say it’s going to be easy. Yeah, that’s true. So you got to keep that in mind and also, you know, that’s all to a, an executive one time at a corporation and I was talking to. And she said this that really stood out to me. It was just came to mind when you said that maybe it was just God dropping that in my mind right now, but she said think big act small.

Okay. So you can have these great big ideas. But start off at a smaller scale. Like you’re not going to start off with 20 employees for any job. Yeah. Who are you going to have? Probably you, I guess most entrepreneurs start off as solo preneurs. And then from, as they build their business, they get the reps, they learn what to do, what not to do, you know, all those, those lessons learned.

Right. And then they start scaling. Uh, you know, so that’s, that would be my advice. If you want to start thinking through the entrepreneurial, what route, you know, think big. I think that’s beautiful. It’s a great exercise. Cause we need to know that the past that we’re trying to hit now, ultimately we need to spend a lot of time in prayer on that, you know, and understand it.

W you know, we’re trying to follow a God who wants. You can take small steps. That’s okay.

17:46 Dylan

Yeah. I think that’s really good advice too, because in business I hear it’s a lot of trial and error. Like no one really graduates college, knowing how to start a business. They don’t really teach that in college. You know?

So it’s a lot about you. If you want it, you got to go get it, you know, you do, you do,

18:01 Chris

you have to go get it and you have to figure out where you can provide value. You know, first of all, it’s gotta be something that people are gonna pay for. Yeah. So, you know, and then. I’m all about the serving. So if you can provide a that’s someone’s I was going to go pay you monetarily for that service, but you focused on serving others.

I think as Christian men, I mean, that’s what Jean thinks about Jesus. I mean, he was here. What did he do? His here, he served. That’s all he did. And he S he was the example of servant leadership, you know, and if, if our Lord can get down, You know, clean the feed to disciples, you know, sometimes a bad day for us ain’t that bad after.

All right. You know, I mean just putting things in perspective, you know? Yeah. So, I mean, that’s, that’s something to think about, you know, as you’re thinking about the entrepreneurial route, I think it’s a great option for you to do.

18:57 Dylan

Yeah, I do too. Um, it’s definitely something I want to look into. It seems like has a lot of potential and it can be like a lot of fun.

19:06 Chris

Tell me how would people. Let’s let’s let’s let’s unpack that a little more. So you’re a young guy you’re just graduating and you’re getting ready to figure it out. Do you want to go to college? Do you want to go to a trade school? Do you want to start a business? Where are you going to start learning some of this about yourself? Is it online? Is it talking to people and

19:27 Dylan

see YouTube or whoever? Whatever influences I have in my life.

19:32 Chris

Gotcha. Gotcha. Well be careful, you know, we had to be careful about the types of people we let speak into our lives. That’s why you need to be real in tune or who you don’t listen to.

19:42 Dylan

Yeah. ’cause a lot of people on YouTube can just be like, get rich quick people that aren’t really practical, real life things you can do. And also it’s just, it’s not going to be that fulfilling. Like it’s just like, get your money and go, you know, sort of things. It’s not very,

19:57 Chris

I think about it too on YouTube and Instagram and all the social platforms and things. So. It’s very much edited. Yeah, for sure. Like you don’t see like all the hard stuff that like the licks that they had, you know, stuff they had to overcome. What you see is, you know, the icing on top that just the gravy part.

20:19 Dylan

And then they want to go out and get it too, you know, like they ha they, they found all these quick ways to make all this money or so. Right from really working towards it because it’s something they really wanted, you know? Right.

20:30 Chris

Absolutely. Absolutely.

20:31 Dylan

The plan. Isn’t like the game plan. Isn’t going to be the same for everybody. No, it’s not because everyone has their circumstances in their, their area where they live. They may not have as much opportunity.

20:41 Chris

That’s right. Yeah. That’s right. Well, I think it’s really cool that you’re keeping those options open and I’ll tell you what I want to come back. We’ll take a quick break and I’m going to come back and talk to you. You know, college versus trade schools and how you just maybe consider that as you consider your PA your plans in the future,

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All right, guys, we’re back here with, with Dylan. We’re we’re. I want to talk to him a little bit more. You know, he’s been at a school, that’s been prepping him for college. So granted, you know, I’m not going to slam them. You know, they’re trying to prep you for college, which is cool. But the four year degree is not the only path.

And I think as men that are following God, we need to make sure that we’re talking to our next generation, like, like Dylan and, and younger about the other options that exist. You know, there are so many trade schools. That exists. I mean, and, and learning how to work with your hands, learning a skill. And I think that needs to be celebrated.

22:43 Dylan

Yeah. It really shouldn’t be.

22:44 Chris

Yeah. Not just like, it’s all you hear about is like, well, I got into Alabama. Okay, well, you’re getting ready to be in debt. You know, like you got a great football team, but like you’re going to be in debt for a long time.

22:56 Dylan

You’re not on the football team.

22:57 Chris

Yes. Right. You know, so, I mean, it’s just, I want to make sure I wish we could change the name. Around the four year degree is the only way to be successful in life.

23:07 Dylan

Yeah, that’s true. Cause I mean, Brandon, my school may have a little bias on that because they’re prepping all of us for college, but you never hear the guidance counselor mentioned, like maybe go into a trade school or something like that because often getting a career in a trade school can be.

A lot easier and a lot cheaper than going to college and racking up a bunch of debt and deciding what you do along the way. So, and that’s something that really needs to be talked about more just in general. Yeah, it does.

23:36 Chris

It does because there’s so much to be said for that. I mean, and once you learn that skillset, you have it forever.

He said he only gets better at it. Right. As you, as you fine tune your craft and the cool part about a lot of those schools and that type of, uh, A lot of that education can get for free. Yeah. You can find, uh, employers that will put you through those programs and be like apprentice, things like that. And the next thing, you know, you got the skills to go make some serious bank.

24:07 Dylan

Exactly. And those skills are going to be valuable forever. Cause especially, I feel like in the next 10 years or so, it will be extremely valuable because everybody, my age is going to college and wants to do like get a degree. Whereas not a lot of people set out to become like electricians or plumbers, but that’s something that we’ll always need.

24:26 Chris

That’s right.

24:27 Dylan

So when there’s a short demand or a short supply in those fields, this is going to be a lot of demand for it, which means you can make a lot of money.

24:34 Chris

Got that right. And that’s where we need to make sure we were promoting to that next generation and talking to them about that and making sure they understand those options because, and celebrating, you know, if they want to go into that, just like if they decided to go in the military, celebrate that that’s important military four-year degree trade school.

So long as you’re bettering yourself. That’s my big thing. Like you need to be doing something to contribute something positively to. You know, if it’s a someday, you know, I mean, you’re going to have to answer to our creator and he’s gonna to know what you did. Yeah. You know,

25:08 Dylan

you want to look back and realize you did nothing, nothing last year.

25:12 Chris

I know that’s not what we want to be. We want to be the guys that are always digging out that always trying to make ourselves better, that are pushing ourselves that are pushing our community, that, that, you know, are being that, that iron, that sharpens the iron for, for our fellow brothers out there, you know?

And there’s, there’s just so many things that we can do. The wrong way, but if we stay focused on God and what he wants for our path, you know, Proverbs 16, nine, we can make our own plans, but the Lord determines our steps. Let’s listen for what the Lord is telling us. And then. Let’s actually take those steps.

25:47 Dylan

Yeah. You gotta, you gotta have the courage to actually take the steps because you can feel like God’s calling you to do something, but if you don’t actually act on it, you’re not gonna, you’re not gonna like follow his, his will and his plan for you. That’s right.

26:01 Chris

That’s right. I mean, do you think it. Look down upon, if you don’t do the four year versus like a trade, do you think there’s a stigma?

26:11 Dylan

Yeah, definitely. There’s a stigma. I feel like everyone’s parents wants them to go to like some big university just so they can say, oh, like they made it, they made it in some big school and they’re going to get a good job. Right. But they might not even like that job. And they could have a ton of debt and not really enjoy life.

Like they want to. Whereas if they would’ve just gone to like a trade school or something, they could have had a job a lot quicker, made a lot more money and not had as much debt. So now

26:36 Chris

guys, this is a 18, 19, just turned 19 is a 19 year old man talking this way. So there’s hope what I’m trying to tell you guys there’s hope.

But I’ll tell you what, it took a lot of intentionality by his parents to get that mindset and him, and as you guys that are leading your families, you have to be that you have to have these conversations, like, like building out, having right now, you know, we didn’t answer any, you know, your next step.

There’s no big epiphany’s here, but it’s a good conversation because you’re thinking in the right ways and words, and we’re trying to, to mold you and try to get. Down the path that God wants you to. Yeah. And whatever that is, you know, you’re going to be supportive.

27:21 Dylan

Yeah. I’m getting pushed in some sort of direction. Whereas a lot of people don’t really find that direction. They just kind of go out looking for it blind, you know, they don’t really know that’s right.

27:29 Chris

That’s right. You know, and I mean, and there’s something to be said about wise counsel and, you know, and, and I think that’s why you, the way you evaluate stuff, who you listened to, you know, understand.

There’s a big world out there, man. I eat you D you’re not just in this narrow field. And I tell you one thing that’s popped to my head too. I’ve talked to a lot of people. I talked to one of our guests on the line with, within us and he went to Bible school. So he, he, he, he trained and got his education in theology.

Got out of the church. He now runs, he’s an entrepreneur that runs his own video marketing firm. He does real estate investments. Right? So like he thought he was doing what God, you know, went to the school that he felt called to. But when he got out, the cool part about this story is he was in tune enough and in the word and talking to God and listen.

The he quickly realized, you know what, God wants me over here. And when he did that, it’s, it’s blossomed to this beautiful business that, yeah, I think

28:39 Dylan

that’s honestly pretty funny. Cause it’s like, how can you go wrong with going to theology school? Like how can that not be like what God wants for you? Right. Or pastors or something. Yeah. Yeah. But he wants, he rewarded him with something completely different, completely,

28:53 Chris

completely different, you know? And, and it’s, and this, uh, he definitely got. But he only got it because he was listening and then he was obedient to that call. And I think Dylan, that’s you for my advice to you, listen, and then be obedient to whatever God calls you to, you know, cause that’s the message, you know, guys, it’s, it’s so easy to get caught in the trap, you know, but if you listen and you’re obedient, uh, you know, beautiful things can happen.

29:22 Dylan

Yeah. For sure. You gotta pray about it.

29:24 Chris

Gotta pray about it, brother. Gotta pray about it. So anything else.

29:29 Dylan

No, that’s that’s it for me, but

29:31 Chris

no, this has been a lot of fun. I’d say what Dylan, he’s doing some great things, you know, and this coaching one-on-one, this is what I do. I try to help people try to help them think about different perspectives.

And then he’s going to be able to take this from here. He’s got to make his own decisions because he’s his own man. But, you know what find that wise counsel. So I’m pretty pumped. You came on. They were having to beyond absolutely bro guys, if you’re liking this, you know, check out the show notes, there’s plenty of links in there for ways to connect with the line with Dennis.

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