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What comes to mind when you hear the word abundance?
Most guys go straight to money and the material items of the world. Lions recognize that having an abundance mindset means to always be looking for opportunities to serve the Lord as we seek to build His kingdom. In this powerful conversation Dan Luigs shares his insight and wisdom into how Christian men can lead their families, careers and communities with a life of abundance.
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Welcome to the Lion Within Us, a podcast, serving Christian men who are hungry to be the leaders they’re predestined to be. I’m your host, Chris Grainger. Let’s jump in. All right, guys, for your meat episode this week, we’re going to be talking about the area of will and specifically having an abundance mindset.
Okay. It’s going to be a great one now where our scripture of the week we’re on acts 2035. And everything I did. I showed you that by this kind of hard work, we must help the weak remembering the words, the Lord Jesus himself said it is more blessed to give than to receive. And I remember on our spiritual kickoff, we talked about that more blessed part.
So if you want to go back, check that out. If you haven’t yet highly encourage you listen to it. It’s not very long that it gets you up to speed on the more blessed part. Okay. Now our guest is. I’m excited to have where you guys, Mr. Dan Lewis, he’s the founder and host of the journey of a Christian dad podcast and Facebook community.
And he asked himself the question, who is the spiritual leader of your home? And that was the question he asked that changed his life. As he and his wife, they were planning to have kids. And one day he heard a Feagins five at his church and specifically their men’s group. And he took that to heart guys and they came to spiritual leader of his.
Because if you’re not leading it, who is, and at the same time, he went from a high-income job to starting a business with, with why his wife was pregnant with their child. So he had to be successful. Right? It was, it was, it was go time. And he grew his insurance business by referral entered the top 3% in the country in less than six years guys, Dan success, it’s unbelievable.
He says, it’s based off Ziglar’s quote. You can have everything you want in life. If you’ll help other people get what they want. So he’s requested public speaker. He’s been featured on many podcasts out there, guys, and, and I’ll tell you what, he’s just an awesome guy. He lives his life for Christ and his family.
They love hiking. Anything in the water outside and just having that life of abundance. He’s married to his wife. Corey, they’ve been married for 17 years now, guys, and they have two daughters Ali. And so I think you’re going to really enjoy this conversation with Dan without further ado, let’s jump into it.
Well, Dan, welcome to the line with Dennis. How are you doing today, sir?
02:24 Dan Luigs
I’m doing fantastic. Thank you so much for having me on it’s like just super cool to be on your podcast.
02:29 Chris Grainger
Oh, absolutely. I love your show. Definitely we’ll have that sinked up in the, in the show notes for our listeners, because you’re doing some great things as well.
And when we talk now, you, you had all these different topics, but you landed on abundance. And I’m curious from your standpoint, Dan, like now why’d you pick the abundance and how do you define that?
02:49 Dan Luigs
You know, abundance is, uh, a mindset. So it’s something that we can get tripped up in. Often I find, especially as Christians, we all can kind of fall into a lot of us can fall into a similar bucket of, um, a kind of a limited mindset, a limited understanding a, um, you know, if we’re abundantly blessed, you know, we’ve got to be super holy or whatever it is.
Maybe were afraid to become rich. Maybe we’re afraid to become wealthy. Maybe whatever our programming is, might not even be from the spiritual or religious side. It might be just from, you know, how we grew up, you know, a limited understanding and we might trap ourselves into only money. So abundance means rich, no abundance doesn’t mean rich abundance means how you think about things and how you appreciate things.
And. Each area of your life, how good can it be? And we’re worthy of great things. God wants to give us great things. Us as dads, when our kids say, dad, I want fill in the blank. What do we want? We want to provide that for them. We want to give that to them as long as it’s good and, you know, keep things in the right lanes and all that, you know, all that’s there.
But so what does our dad want to do for. I had the father wants to give us what we want. He wants us to have abundance. He wants us to live and thrive and have joy on earth, you know? And when we transition and go to heaven, you know, it’ll be a whole different level. However, God wants us to be happy. God delights in us all the time, even when we’re we’re struggling.
So, um, kind of the way, the way I define it is each different area of my life. And how can I push the limit a little bit? How can I in granted, I’m asking God for his help the whole time and give him all the credit. But at the same time, I can’t depend only on hand to do it.
04:53 Chris Grainger
04:54 Dan Luigs
Otherwise, I’m sitting there being, being the, I got to put the work in, put the work in.
I was out there with some guys today. We were working out and, uh, a guy we’re kind of saying about everybody and goes, Hey, I want to say some. And see what you got, but he was brand new. He hadn’t met us, uh, last Saturday and he’s a police officer, undercover guy, and he coaches a soccer team and it was a last era is the first time we met him.
He just showed up. And, uh, the group of guys I was with, we were working out for 24 hours. Right. 24 hours. I only did three of the 24 hours. So, uh, I had other, other commitments that day. So I couldn’t do the full day. Like some of the guys did, there was 12 guys that went open to close type straight, but this guy showed up on a day like that, where big things were happening.
And I forget how many hours he did doesn’t really matter. But he showed back up today to a group where we run and he’s not. And he’s like, here’s what I was telling my team this week. And as I picked it up from Kobe Bryant and he said, uh, you know, rest, when you’re finished rest, when you’re finished, I’m like, okay, cool.
That’s good. And he goes, yeah, we’re about halfway through running and I was ready to rest. And I had to remind my own self. I can raise later when we’re doing. Not now though. I got to go. I was cracking up cause I was feeling that this morning too, we, uh, we’re keep keeping a pretty good pace. And uh, he was behind us a bit being new and let’s go back and get those guys.
That’s right. That’s right. Super noble effort on, on our part. Uh, in reality, I wanted to back the pace off a bit. Uh, I got, uh, I got a big race tomorrow that I can’t be. Can’t be over, over tax where I gotta be ready. There you go.
06:57 Chris Grainger
There you go. I mean, but to your point though, I mean, as guys we gotta, we gotta push it and, and we, you know, we want to have that abundance that you’re referring to.
Dan, it’s up to us. We got to put the work in and we got to put the reps in to stick to your analogy here. That you’re, that you’re making with the gym. But I’m curious too, man, most guys, when they think abundance, all they do think about is the. You know, so how do we get the guys out in the money mindset?
I mean, money is important. Don’t get me wrong, but there’s so many more areas of our life that we can have abundance if we lean into it.
07:28 Dan Luigs
Yeah. So that’s a trap that guys fall into, especially younger guys, early in marriage is, you know, what’s the thing we have to do. And we’ve got to do a few different things.
One, we’ve got a humbly lead to, we’ve got to provide and three, we’ve got to protect the family and. Well, we tend to focus on is the providing aspect. Obviously, if we don’t have a roof over our heads food at type thing, um, you know, that’s a major, major problem, but we get past the survival stage and we stay in that survival mindset.
Oh my gosh, I gotta work one more hour so that I can, you know, get time and a half or double time, or I got to do one more thing. I got to make one more sale. I got to whatever. Or we stay lazy and we work 12 hours a day so that we can work 12 hours a day. Hey, how was working? Ah, man, I put 12 hours then I did it.
12 hours of the 12. How many were you working? One to, right. Well, I stayed busy. Good for you, buddy. Not productive but busy. So kind of clearing that stuff out and in the time that we’re going to work, we should have. You know, that’s a way for us to glorify and honor God is by putting our best effort while we’re doing what we do, as opposed to fill in our time with useless nonsense.
So, um, one way to get away from is to be productive while we’re in our work hours. And then as soon as our work hours are over the time we have not designated to work. All right. Now, what is it that we’re focusing on? One of the guys I hang out with, he says, you know, be where your. So if you’re home and in your kitchen, be at home and in your kitchen, there, people that are with you as opposed to being on our phones or doing some nonsense or our heads somewhere else, you know, thinking about paying the electricity bill or thinking about, you know, buying the Corvette that whatever, wherever our mind goes to, it’s like, you know, be where your feet are be, be in the moment with the people that you’re with.
09:37 Chris Grainger
I mean, that’s great advice. And I mean, to me, it’s, um, guys as well, we, we, we want to constantly compare our sales to others and we want to constantly just see how we’re doing. And I think you also, maybe it was you or somebody was telling me, like know, you know, what the school board is to paycheck like that, that’s
09:55 Dan Luigs
one of my things
09:55 Chris Grainger
So like, yeah. Talk about that. I mean, why, why is that the mindset guys have and where we need to do this kind of start? Correct.
10:04 Dan Luigs
Yeah. So that, that, that’s kinda the big thing is we, so many men focus on the paycheck. So we show up at home, we physically made it there and then whatever, and our family happens and it’s like, Hey, what about the, the garbage cans?
Or what about dinner tonight? Or what about the dishes? Or what about the whatever? And we’re like, Ugh, are you kidding? Like it’s Friday, I brought home the. Army a hundred percent. Okay. And where traditionally with wives that have worked, they’re like, Hey, I’m getting dinner ready. I’m doing it. You know, I’m paying attention to the kids.
I’m doing a million things in addition to work. Right. And it’s like, holy cow has guys, we’ve got to have that, that little shift. And I S to back up a bit and answer your question more from abundances, ask a question of yourself. What’s an abundant marriage look like. Okay. Oh, geez. I don’t know. Like, I’m just trying to get by.
Like, I’ll make the money and my wife will take care of everything else. Oh, that’s what abundance looks like in your marriage. Well, no, that doesn’t sound abundant. Well, have you thought about it before and, and lean into that? Write some stuff down, draw some pictures, whatever it takes to get your mind thinking in a different way.
And, you know, pour into it, maybe listen to a marriage podcast, maybe check out the Go-Giver marriage by John David Mann and Ana a phenomenal book. Uh, find another couple that you’re like, that is the abundance marriage right there. Let me go for that. What can you, what can you do to learn more about their marriage?
Hang out with them, ask me some questions, right? Yeah. I’m hanging out here over an average land or good land. I want to get to a book. That’s what I seem like you’re there and they’re like, nah, not us. We’re not there. We’re not perfect. Okay. But you’re closer than we are. Right. That’s what are your keys?
What are you hanging out with you on Friday nights? Right? You want to hang out with you on Thursday morning at 6:00 AM? No, not at six but six 30 or whatever it is, but finding ways to be around people that are who you want to become.
12:27 Chris Grainger
And then I like to dig into this a little bit more. Let’s take a quick break and we’ll jump in and let’s talk a little bit more about having that abundant marriage.
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Our guys are back here with Dan, Dan, you got me thinking, man, at the abundant marriage, that’s a great something that I think the lions out there need to consider and great tips that you just gave out. And I think a lot of it comes down to intentionality and also just being vulnerable enough to ask other people for that, for that advice.
But you know, how, how do we, how do we get these guys past that and get them really engaged of having, uh, an abundant mayor?
14:00 Dan Luigs
Yes. I think that’s the very, very first key is to say, okay, you know, where am I at? And where would I like to be? So kind of goes in any of the different areas of life that we want to become better.
At a lot of times we don’t have a plan or an idea or a destination of where we want to get to.
14:19 Chris Grainger
I’m assuming you’re doing this with your wife, right? This is a two week together. Yes
14:23 Dan Luigs
and no. So at the beginning I say, let’s, you know, let’s do this individually. You know, so think about your own thoughts, you know, where do I want to go?
You know, if, if I was to design this in the very best way possible, if I could get to the level that I’d want to get to take off all the limits that you put on yourself, I don’t make enough money. My hair’s too short. Um, I got all this garbage going on. I’m not the greatest dad. I’m not whatever it is that we feel like we’re lacking.
It’s like, forget about all that stuff right now. Consider that you’ve got all the resources, all the talent, all the people around you, anything you need to get to where you want to go. And whenever you run into a roadblock of, I don’t have that. Don’t worry about it. Just write down the best that you can possibly think and put as much down as you can.
Um, some guys have a hard time riding. Cool. Record a video recorder, audio, but get something down and then refresh it. Do it again. And then start looking for ideas. And once you kind of have a idea of where you want to go, once you’re starting to go like, okay, yeah, this scares me a bit, right? This is definitely outside the comfort zone.
Say, Hey honey, um, I’ve been thinking a little bit and I’d like to, uh, kind of explore where we are and where we’d like to go as a couple, as a family, as a, um, you know, Friend relationship with, with friends and other families we’ve, we’ve gotten our life and that kind of thing. You know, what would you think about us checking that out?
Uh, where’s this coming from, right? Yeah. Whatever your answer is to that, but, um, all right. How, how would we start? Right. Well, I don’t know. Maybe, you know, you think about where you’d like to go and what I found, I ran a group. Little over a year ago, year and a half ago. And we had twin 12 guys in the group.
All of them were pretty hard charging guys. All of them were pretty successful financially for sure. And they had success in other areas of their life as well. Some business owners and all Christians and, um, of this group, I was surprised. And some of the wives of the guys in this group were business owners.
Also some of them were regional managers, some of them, you know, had. Professional lives that were pretty cool all by themselves in others, group 12 wives, none of them were kind of that visionary type. I said, when you guys put the pin on the map with where you guys are going, what’s your wife’s input. And they all said, well, our wives kind of look to us for that.
I was like, dang. That’s cool. One I’m surprised. But then that’s pretty cool. So if your wife isn’t the big visionary and has a kind of head down and you know, she’s looking to see what dinner is tonight, right, right. She’s looking to see maybe if you guys got a babysitter lined up on the weekend, like looking out ahead, but not very far right.
Where us as guys, we have the ability because we don’t have necessarily all of the responsibility on us for all the day to day smaller details. And so if your wife is interested in the conversation, but you don’t feel like she’s given as much input as you think she could probably because she’s bogged down a little bit with a whole lot of other decisions and maybe things that we should step up a little bit with the help out with.
So Brian, you take her scope of work and go, oh gosh, she’s got a hundred things she keeps track of on a daily basis and I’ve got three. And of those three, two of them involve my personal work. Right. You know, one thing revolving around the family, maybe it’s your you’re in charge of dishes or maybe it’s you’re in charge of dinner, whatever it is.
But, um, wives tend to have a lot more of the day-to-day responsibility. So however that conversation goes it’s totally okay. Don’t have the expectations. Don’t put the burden on her to guide and lead and vision and plan and all that type. Uh, the way I look at it, I’m like, that’s our job. And wherever our wife falls in on that is great.
And some wives are great at vision and all that type thing, if they are wonderful. Um, but don’t allow her to be the only one putting it together. Right. You’ve got to jump in. You got to jump in, you
19:03 Chris Grainger
do, and you got to jump in and take, you know, help her. Be able to be in a mindset to be able to help you.
Cause I mean, you can vision cats by yourself, but as your vision, I think if you want a vision cast as a couple and grow, you know, you can lead that, but she’s got to be able to have input there. So I almost see it too, but let’s, let’s, let’s let’s help her. Maybe that’s put in her in an. Be able to have that vision cast type conversation.
Maybe that’s a special intimate dinner somewhere where there’s no distractions, there’s no phones, there’s no Facebook and Instagram and all that crap. It’s put to the side and we’re actually talking as husband and wife. And then, you know, you, maybe you lead it, but you’ve put her in a place where she can mentally be there.
Like you said, be in that conversation where your feet are and, and be able to have an engaging conversation to talk about, you know, the next 3, 5, 10 years.
19:52 Dan Luigs
Yes. Yes. A hundred percent. So once upon a time, and here’s the, here’s maybe a way to shift a little bit. And I don’t know if, uh, guys have, like, when I snap my fingers and go, you know, find this, you might not have a resource real quick and handy, but a buddy of mine, uh, blessed to know this guy.
He, uh, has a national, uh, coaching platform where he helps, uh, leaders of companies grow and, uh, understand lifestyle and abundance. Is super, super good at it. And it’s funny when I talked to the guys inside his group, they’re like, man, that guy doesn’t have any tactical, anything. He’s just got the gift of gathering and you’ve got so many brilliant minds around that.
There’s always a solution to whatever it is, but it usually doesn’t come from him. And then he’s got all these things that have worked in his life that, that also work, but he knows how to think. And then other, you know, helps other people come up. Problem solving and connects them to the right people all the time.
But anyway, this guy was running a, a, a three-day conference Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, and I said, Hey honey, I bought tickets to this event and it’s all about, you know, family. It’s all about leadership. It’s all about vision and kind of change in our life. And I love for you to come. And I already paid for both of our tickets.
And I don’t want you to feel any obligation to go. The tickets are non-refundable, but I am totally okay if you choose not to go because public appearance, 200 people, this seems like a big thing. Seems like all these heavy hitter, you know, CEOs and business owners and all this stuff, like not an environment where she normally shows up to.
That’s more my speed and. Okay, cool. I’ll go. When is it? Well it’s whatever the date was. And she goes, Ugh, how are we going to do that? Like, we don’t have babysitters lined up. I say, that’s a great point. It would be Barrett, FF, you know, figure that out. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Let’s say we got babies. What about food?
What about got it all taken care of? Like, I think the babysitters, the one thing we need to line up and then after that, I think we’re good. She goes, okay, cool. Let’s go. And I was like, what? No way. I’d been praying. And as I, you know, love her to come, God, this would be great. Anyway, she came, she’s like, oh my gosh, this is so exciting.
So we had two and a half days to think talk, interact with other people on the same journey. Uh, she got to kind of doodle draw think, and she came out of that. So energized and fired up and she’s like, all right, how do we do this? Um, small, quick example, one of the guys shared he was looking to buy maybe a 42 foot long boat or something, and it costs say 250 grand.
And so he was working quite a while to come up with a plan to come up with this 250. And he did it and he did it and he calls a guy and he says, Hey, Chris, man, you’re one of my guys. And I just want to share this with you because you’re one of the few guys that I can share this achievement with. He says, I got the 250 grand.
I can buy the boat cash and guy responds back, man. That’s awesome. That’s phenomenal. He’s can I ask you a question though? Cause yeah, yeah. He goes so on the weekend, you’re going to have people over. He says, yeah, absolutely. Is we’re going to go out on the boat. We’re going to have fun. Is I, that sounds good.
Is, are you going to go down on Thursday to the lake and go get the boat and get it ready and clean it up and wax it? He says now not I don’t, I don’t think I am. Okay, great. So you got lined up to do that for you. I don’t, I don’t, I don’t have that lined up. Okay. How are you going to like pay them and get all that set up?
He knows how to do all this stuff, but he goes, oh, geez. I do have to do that. Okay. All right. Here’s what about moving the boat? What about the mechanics? And what about the maintenance? And what about all the different things you use? Dude? I got the 250 grand. I can buy the boat. He goes, well, let me ask you a different question because I don’t think you’re a boat.
I don’t think you’re a boat owner guy. I just don’t like, you’ve never been into doing any of the stuff that relate. And he goes, what’s your question. He goes, why do you want this boat? It all goes back to college where a friend of mine invited us to go on his dad’s boat. It was a 42 foot long boat, this exact model, all that, that I’ve got the money to buy.
And we had the greatest weekend living on that boat and we had sandwiches and we had drinks and we. All these different things. And it was so much fun. It was a blast. It was a great, he goes, see, you want to have experiences like that? Yes. This is a new, you want to create experiences like that for the people around you?
Yes. That’s what I want. And he goes cool. That sounds like that cost maybe a thousand or 2000 bucks a weekend. Right? Right. Wait, what. Anybody that’s got a 42 foot boat or other fun. Invite me anytime I’m paying for the gas, I’m paying for the sandwiches, I’m paying for the drink. I’m paying for everything involving your boat for that whole weekend.
Cause I just want to be included that costs a whole lot less than 250 grand. He could have been doing it five years prior when he started saving up for the $250,000 boat. Since he started sharing that story, he’s been invited to be on more boats than you can imagine.
25:51 Chris Grainger
I mean, it’s a great, great point. Too often we get, we get chasing the wrong things and we had that the eye on the wrong prize and it was sounded like it was some very, some salt wisdom that this man spoke to him to really just reel it back in and put it in perspective.
So, you know, in that, and that puts him in a position to give more as well to others that going back to our verse, they were talking about this week to be able to give and to receive. So it just seemed like that was a win-win all around.
26:19 Dan Luigs
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And that one little story, that one little example, you can share that in all kinds of different areas of life that we’re in, Hey, what am I going after?
And is this the fastest way to get what we want? Right. Am I doing it the right way? Am I even on the right path? Am I on the right? Do I have the right people around me? Obviously in his case, having that guy around, you know, he talked to six other guys and all six other guys said, Hey, good job, buddy.
26:46 Chris Grainger
Right, right, right.
But he felt like he actually had some iron there that he needed to sh to, to, to be that iron sharpens iron, if you will. And sometimes to push back against and not just, not just have those. Yes, man, inner corners. We need those, those men in our corners that are going to actually push us and challenges and, and, and help us see, you know, what God really wants for us in.
27:06 Dan Luigs
Yes, absolutely. So here’s a key one for you guys. Join groups where your desired behavior is there be their normal behavior, join groups where your desired behavior is their normal behavior and that’ll change your life.
27:28 Chris Grainger
Absolutely. Let’s take a quick break. I want to jump, I want to ask you a little bit more about that.
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Hi, Dan. So you just gave some great advice by joining groups where your desired behavior is their normal behavior. So where do we find these groups? I mean, I’m sure guys are out there listening. That’s great. All right. Where do I find them? So where do you point people at to help them, you know, make those connections?
28:36 Dan Luigs
Yeah. All kinds of different places. So, uh, like your community would be one of them. Um, you know, I’ve got the journey of a Christian dad. I couldn’t quite find what I was looking for. So I created it. And it wasn’t a whole different story, but that wasn’t actually why I created it. It was cause I was on a retreat and God says, Hey, I want to talk about your podcast.
And I was like, no, not my podcast. I totally don’t want to do a podcast. That’s a lot of work. Right. I just want to, you know, find, find what I’m looking for. And he says, now let’s do your podcast. Go ahead and get it started. You’re going to call it the Christian dad. Just try it out and, and move on. Oh, I got to try it out.
Huh? I don’t have to use that exact name. Who’s that one as a placeholder to get going. And I’ll be darn if I didn’t get back from that retreat can never sell phones. And it says I type in, uh, the Christian dad.com. Nobody owned it blew my mind, blew my mind how certain somebody would own that one by now, but no, nobody had it.
So I bought it that weekend and then started figuring out how the heck the podcast, and same as what we talked about earlier in order to grow into that, I had to meet somebody. It could help me. I interviewed a whole bunch of different guys and talked to a bunch of different women and like, somebody’s got to get me on track, but whatever reason I didn’t click with anybody.
And, uh, the guy that edits my show for me now. Uh, thank you, Sean. If you listen to this one, I appreciate you. Um, connect with him and other man, this guy clicks, he gets it. He’s a Christian. He’s not all that. He’s an iron sharpens iron kind of guy, hard charging like this guys. And him and I talked through it for a while.
And then between the two of us, we came up with the journey of a Christian dad, which is kind of where I wanted to be. God, I want to be the Christian dad. I wanted to be a guy on the journey because that’s absolutely what I am.
30:28 Chris Grainger
Right, right. I love as a beautiful story, but I mean, guys, you got to get out there and you got to find those groups, those men, you know, I highly encourage you to check out dance shows.
But, I mean, it could be guys in your church, you know, and it could be guys in small groups or maybe they’re in LinkedIn groups, there’s all sorts of ways on the social connections we have out there now to find guys that are going to help us get and help us grow, you know, be those mentors that were, does that mean it’s so important, particularly if we want to have that abundant mindset and to be able to grow our incomes and things like that, we have to be looking for that iron sharpen.
31:05 Dan Luigs
Yes, 100%. If you guys ever go to an event or something and you see the speaker and you’re like, oh my gosh, that guy so unbelievable and so impressive. And so whatever, and guys notice, there’s a line of people that always runs to them and waits for however long to talk to those guys. And sometimes we can go, nah, that’s not, for me.
I’m not worthy enough to go talk to that person. And we’re talking about abundance. Keys of abundances, uh, appreciation generosity. So something as simple that you can do is just go up and talk to them and say, Hey, I appreciate what you said. Like that was really cool. Right? You came over, talked to all of us and then if you can go further, be specific and say, Hey, that one thing is had really stuck with me.
I was on a call this morning and the guy that was leading. He leads it every Friday, uh, is the president of the largest Salesforce in the country. But at one time he was homeless and he said, when I’m hanging around, this’ll blow your mind when I’m hanging around billionaires. But when I’m studying certain billionaires and the billionaires that I hang out with granted, this guy was homeless.
25 years ago, live at living in his car. So he said, when I’m hanging around billionaires in the billionaires that I know in my personal life, all right, man, that’s pretty cool.
I’m not quite there. And he said, and I was really curious as to what he was going to say. And he said it was of every billionaire I’ve ever met. Every billionaire I’ve ever studied. None of them are fearful. None of them are ever afraid of losing it. None of them are ever in maintenance mode, some maintenance modes where you get comfortable, you reached the goal and you got comfortable.
So that was a challenge that I had years ago was I had my lifetime goal and I didn’t realize that I passed it. And year two years later, I looked backwards and went, whoa, Hey, the finish line was behind me. Oh, gee. And the, you know, then it made me think a bit and I’m like, all right, now, where am I going?
I’ve been going so fast, this one certain way. And things were going well, but I all right, let me expand the scope. Let me, and I started talking to, you know, people, not billionaires, but people ahead of me. I, Hey, what’s that look like down there? Tell me about it. I want to know if that’s a place I want to go or if I don’t want to go.
You good with where you at? Or would you change it a little bit? Did you make some missteps? Like I want to learn from you cause I’d prefer to shortcut this thing to get to the next step, wherever it is that I want to go.
33:58 Chris Grainger
And don’t you think, Dan though, a lot of guys they’re afraid to have that conversation because.
Insecure. We want to look like we got it all figured out. We got it all together. We’re we’re hard-charging that we have all the answers like, you know, maybe is that what holds a lot of guys back from just being humble themselves enough to even have that conversation and ask the questions?
34:17 Dan Luigs
Yes, I do. Th I do think that’s, I it’s the two things, so it’s a pride ego.
And then the, the solution for that is humility, the second worth. So yeah. I had both problems. I absolutely had a pride problem. I can do it all by myself. I don’t need anybody. I’ll just work harder than everybody and just do it all myself. Right. And then secondly, the worth, Hey, I’m not even worthy to talk to Chris Granger and the students a legend.
This dude’s awesome. There’s no way I could possibly talk to him.
34:53 Chris Grainger
Right, right. No, that’s a big, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
34:57 Dan Luigs
Yeah. You’re a human being. You’re you’re the son of God. That’s right. That’s right.
35:03 Chris Grainger
I’ve had guys come with me cause we’ve had some guests on there that were, you know, unbelievable. Like, wow.
Well, I just, I talked to him. I mean, I just, I reach out and I, you know, there’s channels that you get, these men just like getting with you, but then at a day, you know, even on my other show, I’ve, I’ve, I’ve interviewed CEOs from some of the biggest companies in the world. We’re just feeding. And then we truly care about people and we can humble ourselves enough and realize that, Hey, we can learn from the CEOs.
Well, we can also learn from the janitors. So we need to treat them all the same way. Right. And just coming at what that, what that humility mindset and wanting to get better and learn great things can happen.
35:42 Dan Luigs
Yes, absolutely. The billionaires that I have ran into. It hadn’t been many, but when I have run into those situations, generally, the, the most gracious, most generous, most appreciative, they just have a different way about them.
Um, I will, there was a specific meeting, uh, uh, David stewards, the guy’s name. He wrote a book 52 biblical principles for 50. Biblical principles for business. And we saw him speak one day, a buddy of mine’s company does some work for his company. I think he’s also the largest minority owned company in all of America.
Like gotta be a billionaire, maybe multiple times over, but anyway, meetings over a few people stand in line to talk to this guy. I’m like, why isn’t the whole room lined up? Okay, but me and this guy are there and the guy says, Hey, um, you know, appreciate, you know, the, the talk I heard this, I like that. Like, it’s wonderful.
And David stewards like, Hey, you know, thanks so much for that feedback and everything really appreciate, you know, you sharing that with me and he says, Hey, I, um, one thing for you, are you aware that your company has the ability to donate some money and why actually cost you anything? As I heard you talk about generosity and your company’s not, not actually doing it.
He goes, well, what, what do you mean? Like that goes against our core principles. And he says, well, through my company, I give away whatever the number is. I’ll say 10% to charities and charity of your choice. He goes, okay, this sounds easy. Why are we doing. And he says, well, your guy in charge of the money.
And that type thing said it’s against something and code and violations and stuff. And he goes, huh. Cause it sounds like this might be a chunk of money. Like can do some good. And he goes, yeah, absolutely. It is. It was, this is bothering you. It was really kinda is I’d like to not keep that money. I’d like to put it somewhere where you would like it to go, well, how come we haven’t met yet?
This is well, you’re kind of the big owner and your people sorta keep me away from you. Right. And he goes, well, that’s over now. And he looks over to scheduler. He goes, Hey, get his information, put him on the books. First thing like ASAP, this one’s. And I’ll be darn if that meeting didn’t happen. So this billionaire asked my buddy for a meeting, that’s the worst thing it’s like, yes.
And my friend had enough guts to say, Hey, I wanted to bring something up. Right. And then the billionaire asked him.
38:40 Chris Grainger
Awesome. That’s a great story. Let’s
38:45 Chris Grainger
that from the sense of worth. Yeah. That work is great. I mean, I’ll automatically think of pride, but the word area, that’s something. I think guys, we just, w we’re S we’re our worst critics, first of all. And we will hold ourselves back so many times because we just don’t feel like we’re worthy and maybe we’re just, we don’t w we’re we’re just not in that right mindset, but we can push past.
You can have those engagements, like your friend had right there.
39:09 Dan Luigs
Yeah. Here I’ll give you, I’ll dial it back. I’ll pull it away from billionaires and put it into a real everyday life this year, uh, through a series of events that happened, my daughter who loves to play softball she’s nine years old, lost her softball team.
It sort of fell apart unexpectedly. The league that we were in didn’t have enough girls across the league to have the team that we had. And it was shocking and softball season was getting ready to start. So we tried this other league and somehow that didn’t come together, like, ah, what do we do? So we find this other lake and finally I get an email and it says, Hey greatness, we got enough girls.
However, we don’t have any coaches. So if anybody wants to step up, somebody has to otherwise we’re, we’re shutting this team down to. And I got that email and I went, oh my gosh, are you kidding? I absolutely am fearful of coaching. A softball team. I’ve been an assistant coach had been around it a little bit.
I know some guys that have done it, so I’ve got some resources, but I thought to myself, man, I don’t want to reply to this email. I already told them I was willing to be an assistant coach. Right. Am I? But here I. Thinking about all the other parents who got this email and have the same thing that I’ve got right now of, oh, not me, not me.
I sure hope somebody does someone probably even said, dear God, let somebody else step up. And I thought to myself, you know, this is my call. This is, this is for me. I’m just going to say yes right now and figure it out. Uh, what’s his name? Um, Virgin Virgin records, Virgin airlines, Branson Branson Branson said, Hey, if a great opportunity comes along, say yes, and then figure it out later.
Right? Right. I’m like, I’ve got softball coaches in my life that I know I’ve got some good ones that are. I’ve been an assistant coach before. Um, I know what my weaknesses are and there’s probably a parent that’ll volunteer to take care of some of the admin duties that I’m not all that fired up about having to deal in my life.
A little bit of drudgery. Sure enough. One of the parents says, Hey, are there any of these admin duties that are available? I would love to do those things. I am so good at those things.
41:36 Chris Grainger
There you go.
41:37 Dan Luigs
Yay. But I was fearful of that, that I was going to have to do that, that type of. Secondly, I was a little fearful of being the head coach lead in it.
Cause you know who the heck am I to, you know, corral a bunch of nine-year-old daughters out. Like, you know, I do that all the time. Like, why am I afraid of that? But anyway, so I said, yes, just like that. And then I started figuring out what’s my plan. You know, what’s my message. I’m going to talk to these girls about how am I going to get, to have fun and stickers and bubblegum and right after game treats and.
Working with all the parents to talk to them about praise and the behavior versus praise in the result, or, you know, criticizing the result on the ride, home from the game and all that. Anyway, I bring it to that level because we can all be fearful and I’ll be darn if saying yes to that, didn’t create just some amazing abundance in my life where I’ve got a ton of joy.
I get to be the one in control over the kids and you know, the overall tone that everything about it. Being in the right spot and not being too fearful to say yes. So having a little bit of courage, God, I could use some help here. So that’s a theme in my life. Whenever things come up, I take a breath look up.
Right. I could use a little help here.
42:58 Chris Grainger
Yeah, that’s right. Great advice. Great advice. I mean, Dan, I think just the overall bonus mindset that you’ve talked about here, you’ve opened my eyes to some areas for sure. One thing I’d like to do with you. I started doing this on, on the line with Dennis’s as a quick lightning round to let our listeners know a little bit about YouTube before we, before we wrap up today.
So are you willing to jump into the lion’s den and have a lightning round? Yeah, that
43:25 Dan Luigs
43:26 Chris Grainger
Awesome. Awesome. So someone far away you just fire right back at me. Okay. I got eight questions that we’ll just we’ll hammer through them. So what’s your favorite thing about God?
43:37 Dan Luigs
A favorite thing about God is the fact that.
Loves me always.
43:42 Chris Grainger
Okay. What’s your least favorite thing about God?
43:46 Dan Luigs
Oh, that he loves me always.
There’s times where I just don’t feel lovable. You know, feel, you feel, you know, separate and away from. You know, when you look at it and you go it’s me, he’s still right where he was. He didn’t believe me. I left him to come back to him. I got to forgive myself. I’ve got to move past this. I, you know, whatever, but man, he’s always there and he’s always waiting on us and he’s always got his handout.
If we’d just looked to him.
44:16 Chris Grainger
No, our number three, what are you currently struggling with? Right.
44:20 Dan Luigs
Oh currently struggling with right now, uh, in my business life, I, uh, am looking to hire a new, uh, administrative person. So I had a number of different people in different places, but yeah, I need any, one more key member on the bus.
44:34 Chris Grainger
We’re always looking. Right. So number four, what are you most afraid of?
44:40 Dan Luigs
Most afraid of? What am I most afraid? So when you say most afraid of, I think about like long-term and eternal perspective, which is a good thing to think about. And what I’m most afraid of is, uh, you know, not giving it my all and, and fulfilling my potential.
So God’s given me the ability to do some pretty great things with him and finally pursue it with all my heart. You know, I could die and leave some things on the table. Could’ve been done. And when I think of could have been done, I think of impact and other guys, so
45:14 Chris Grainger
great answer. Great answer. Well, what did you spend too much time doing last year?
45:20 Dan Luigs
45:22 Chris Grainger
fantasy baseball. What do you wish you would have learned sooner about God?
45:29 Dan Luigs
What I wish I would have learned sooner about God, I would say.
That I’m worthy of. God’s love. That was an affirmation. I did. I know it’s lightening round, but I am worthy. I am worthy of God’s love. And I had to beat that into my head because as didn’t feel like I was, you know, as a lot of people do, we do this thing called sin. And some, sometimes we think our little sin is relationship ending with God.
And it’s just not,
46:02 Chris Grainger
it’s not, what’s a, what’s a new habit. You going to create this.
46:07 Dan Luigs
Uh, being more organized as a new habit that I am lacking on. There you go.
46:13 Chris Grainger
Now, the last question, Dan, it what’s one thing you hope the guys out there to lions, I call them, what do you hope that they remember from this conversation?
46:21 Dan Luigs
But I hope you remember from this conversation is join groups where, where your desired behavior is their normal behavior. By putting people around you that are where you want to go and act like who you want to act like, who you want to become. It’ll change you a hundred percent, could be as simple as, um, listen to this podcast all the time, become an involved in Chris’s community, as much as you can become involved, but put people in your life that are where you want to go, and you will become like the.
46:58 Chris Grainger
As beautiful. I love it, Dan. So, you know, where do you, or should guys go if they want to connect with you? Of course, we’ll sync up everything in the show notes, but you want to give a shout out to where you want to point people to, to learn more about you and how you’re serving as well.
47:11 Dan Luigs
Yeah, absolutely. So I love to keep things just super, super simple.
Simple is easy. Guys are simple. The world is complex, uh, and we tend to, for whatever reason, love complex. Yeah. If we could combat that and keep things simple, like pray simple, like don’t have to make that overly fancy. So that’s, that’s why I’m all set up. I’m super simple. I’ve got a Facebook page called the journey of a Christian dad and I’ve got a podcast called the journey of a Christian dad.
That’s it? Those are, those are the couple of places. Connect the connect there and connect on the Facebook group. If somebody wants to email me for whatever reason I get emails. That’s the Christian dad email@example.com. That’s how you connect with me. Okay.
47:55 Chris Grainger
Well, we’ll make sure all this does think that where you guys, Dan has been a pleasure.
Thank you so much for everything you shared today, sir. And also just been, it’s been awesome just to meet you. Hey,
48:05 Dan Luigs
it’s been great getting to know you and man, you’re, you’re one of those guys that people should hang around because you’re focused on the kingdom. You’re focused on the eternal you’re focused on leading your family.
48:16 Chris Grainger
Well, thank you so much, sir. Work. Well, guys, you know the question in a week, what I want you thinking of. Do you give to serve others or yourself? You know, think about that question as you go into the rest of your week here. And if you’re enjoying the line with the line within a shared with other gas, you know, leave a rating, write a review, all those things help go to the line within.us, check our website out, get your Bibles.
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