00:00 Chris Grainger
Welcome to the Line Within Us, a podcast sermon, Christian men who are hunger to be the leaders God intends you to be. I’m your host, Chris Granger. Let’s jump in. All right, guys. It’s your meat episode of the week. I’m excited to have you here, but before we get going too far, let’s get our scripture of the week.

Okay, so we’re in the book at Jeremiah. So Jeremiah chapter six, we’re gonna be in verse look at verse 16. Okay, just one verse this week, God. Verse 16. This is what the Lord says. Stand by the ways and see and ask for the ancient. Where the good way is and walk in it, then you will find a resting place for your souls.

But they said, we will not walk in it. And guys go back to your spiritual kickoff. I’ll unpack this verse. I just wanted to, I think you needed to spend some time considering, and that leads us directly in that we’re gonna be talking about today, about becoming a king, guys becoming a king. Yes, you are king.

Okay? You have that in you. And this is a powerful conversation with Morgan Snyder, who is from Wild at Heart. Guys, I’m gonna tell you what this, this time with Morgan. Was such a blessing for me just to be able to sit down and have someone like this just pour, absolutely. Pour his heart out. And you’re going to hear that this is an emotional conversation, Morgan.

He gets, he gets very emotional at several points, and I mean, it just, it, it got me going. And so basically, Morgan, for you guys that don’t know, he’s a, uh, the grateful husband of 20 years and a proud father of a, of a really creative son and a witty daughter. And, and I tell you what, he’s, he talks about them both and the stories he tells, particularly around his son just struck me to the core.

Uh, he’s a str uh, a strategist. He’s a entrepreneur, he’s a teacher. He’s a writer, he’s a speaker. He does it all right? And, and his passion is to be shaped by and shaped the men and women who are being shaping the kingdom. That’s what we spent a lot of time talking about. Okay. So in 2010, he established becoming good soul, a fellowship of leaders where, which, which, uh, whose global reach offers guidance for the narrow road of becoming the kind of person whom God can confidently entrust the care of his kingdom.

So he’s executive again, executive leadership, a wide at heart and his contended for the whole heartness of, of men and women alongside of John and Stacy Eldridge. For more than two decades he’s been, he is John Eldridges, right hand guy, side by side. Uh, he’s, he’s again worked all over the world. All these different countries from the US to the UK to South Africa, Australia.

I mean, he’s just everywhere. He goes off the grid whenever he can. He even talks about that in this, in this conversation, where he likes to just unplug and how he goes about that. Anytime he can also get out and go bow hunting, you’re gonna find him there. So he, again, he’s an absolute delight. Such a treat to work with Morgan.

I learned a lot here, guys. I mean, just buckle up. This is one, I’m just gonna prep you. He goes deep in several areas. This is an episode you’ll probably wanna, if you listen at one and a half or two times, you may want to slow this one down. You may just want to go at one time. Speed. And it’s also one you may want to get a notepad out.

Okay. And start taking some notes as he goes along. He’s gonna get very practical in a couple areas that you guys can lean into, right? And start making a tremendous impact on the way that you lead yourself to become the king. It’s you’re designed to be. I’m telling you guys, this is, this is powerful. So sit back, get your stuff ready.

Enjoy this conversation with Morgan Snyder.

All right, so Morgan, welcome to the line within us. How you doing today, sir?

03:26 Morgan Snyder
Chris? Good. Really honored to be with you as we chatted about offline. You know, there’s been long time in coming for us to connect and I just have a lot of excitement for what God’s already been doing in your life through, um, this message and this mission to restore the hearts of men.

So thanks for taking the time to be with me today. Oh,

03:47 Chris Grainger
it’s an absolute honor. And just for, for you listeners out there who, who think that you, they know God’s not moving fast enough. We’ve been working on this for about a year, so, uh, you know, you sometimes just gotta trust God’s timing and I’m, I’m so excited to have you here, Morgan, and maybe to get us start, before we dig into the content, what’s something fun about you?

Just give us a fun fact that maybe not many people know about you as, as, as

04:08 Morgan Snyder
Morgan. Well, fun fact, um, two nights ago, my wife and I just finished the third evening in a three week series of a sex class for senior high school young men and women, 32 men and women who we’ve invested in, in our community here in Colorado Springs for, since they were, you know, in preschool.

And they’re all seniors now. And we’ve poured our life into this community. You know, one of my mantras is trees don’t get to move. And so in this mobile culture, Our default is we are going to stay where we are unless God makes it impossible to, um, to keep doing that. And he has a different assignment. So yeah.

Chris, we, we took a risk. I wanted to offer to these young hearts what I wish a man would’ve offered me when I was a senior, a vision, a bigger, better story. Something that validated this deep heart set within me as a man and then these young women. And, and it was go time. I mean, God called my bluff, my son Joshua was a senior and it’s now or never.

And so I’m not the man I hoped I would be at this milestone, but I am who I have become and it’s worth risking in love. And so we did it. We had skits and you feed ’em dinner and they’ll show up for the football players, they’ll show up for anything for a free meal. So I’m not really bragging on the numbers.

It was for the food. But we cooked them a meal, we did skids. We got to pray over these kids. A lot of them don’t walk with God, don’t have a Christian faith, and got to host space for questions and conversation and, and, um, and give them invitation to a bigger, better story and validate their identity. And so yeah, that’s what I’m coming off of.

And that was awesome,

06:02 Chris Grainger
man. We, and we need so many events like that Morgan, so hats off to you and your wife are doing that because we just don’t see that very often in the Christian space in particular where guys are leaning into the harder conversations and the topics like that. Sex in particular. And speaking, I’m sure you spoke a lot of truth to those young men and women that they probably haven’t heard before.

06:19 Morgan Snyder
Right? And a space for them to ask questions, a space for them to, um, hear some, hear what’s going on in the hearts of the people around them, their peers that they don’t talk about, right? When pornography is the only place you’re learning about sex as a young man, it really sets you up for failure. But to validate what you desire is what’s right with you at core.

Mm-hmm. Right. The most important thing we can know about any human being is that they bear the image of God as a man or as a woman forever. And if we can recover that identity, then we can talk about where it goes sideways, and then we can talk about how, how does it get restored? And that’s what I love is to start with design.

Right. Man, that’s just

07:07 Chris Grainger
what a powerful, powerful message, man. So, so excited for that. For you. It sounds like maybe that’ll be continued in the future too. So looking forward to hearing more about that and how we can su support that for sure. That’s

07:17 Morgan Snyder
awesome. Thanks so much, Chris.

07:20 Chris Grainger
Now let’s dig in now for the, the guys out there.

So I got this book, Morgan wrote a wonderful book called Becoming a King, and he, here’s your hint guys. This will be your book of the week. So go ahead and get a, grab your copy of it. And Morgan, this was. An incredible read. I, I got so much out of it. Looking forward to unpacking some truths, and I know it’s gonna resonate with a lot of our listeners out here today, but just what led you initially to, to even putting pen to paper on talking about this topic, man.

07:46 Morgan Snyder
Well, the book was way into a journey. I mean, it was deep waters. That’s sort of chapter 10, I think. Mm-hmm. Um, it’s a very fair question, but I think I’d have to back up to, um, I came into a passionate confidence and trust in God in college. Um, success was a drug, um, that really fed my ego. Women, uh, fed my ego.

Mm-hmm. I won the world and I lost my soul. And, uh, you know, Chris, I, I knew that I hadn’t found the path of life, and so I came into a, a, a, I would say a, a trust and confidence with God. But what I noticed, Chris, over the next several years, Was, I was still profoundly immature, profoundly unfathered and profoundly uninitiated as a man.

And I couldn’t have put words to that at the time. But there was not a consistency with the faith group I came into. They said, you’re a Christian. And there was kind of two categories, people who walked believed in God and people that didn’t. But there was this whole other realm that now I understand it as the long obedience in the same direction of the path and process to restoring the whole man that we can become the kind of man that that’s wholehearted, that’s mature, that lives out of union with God as our sustenance, and we can be entrusted with the care of God’s kingdom.

But that takes time, and that’s a process. So the short of it is I found myself. Thrown into adulthood, young marriage, young kids, young career, vibrant heart for God, but kept bumping my head and running into stumbling blocks. And so I took my pain and I exchanged what I would say, as I say, in becoming a king, ex exclamation parts, you know, there are exclamation points of a young man with question marks.

Mm-hmm. And I started asking questions, who are the older, wiser men in front of me with more miles on the, on the odometer? And, and I had to recover my questions. Why do I feel behind mm-hmm. What’s not working? Why does it feel like it’s up to me? Cuz I love God? But if you could get below my cradle statements, I was living as an orphan and as a slave.

Mm-hmm. And so I started leaning into older, wiser guides and, and what happened was re recovering a worldview, Chris, that. Was nothing new but newly recovered. You know, as I say, in becoming a King, Chesterton shares this mind bending idea that every generation loses the gospel, and every generation is charged with its recovery.

And that’s what keeps it about God and not God and or God with, it’s the, the gospel is God in his kingdom, and He’s beyond what any, none of us have a corner on him. And so it’s constantly being lost and recovered. And so I found a new path. It was an ancient path. It turns out it was the slow and steady wins the race.

It was forsaking shortcuts. It’s instead of building, instead of building a name for myself and getting something going in a bank account, it was excavating. It was focusing on the kind of person that I was becoming. It was getting really honest with addiction and brokenness and. Places where the enemy had just really sunk in his clause and letting the lion of Judah come into that space and remove the debris and break agreements and put myself under the safety of older, wiser guides.

And that was two decades. And so out of the fruit of that, God simply made it impossible to not share this sort of curated and distilled recovery of the gospel for men in our generation. Man,

11:48 Chris Grainger
that is powerful. So I, I love to excavate it instead of building. I mean, that was what a, what a wonderful revelation to have that to understand, okay, this is an, this is an area we need to work on.

Cause we as guys, we just wanna build, build, build on us, on us, on us. We never think about clearing this stuff out of our lives that maybe is pulling

12:05 Morgan Snyder
us away from God. Right. And Chris, what’s important to our men listening, we’re made to build. That’s the Imago Day. Okay? That’s the image of God. We bear God’s image as builders we’re meant to co-create.

Mm-hmm. All like all of creation. God invited us into a partnership, but you have to ask the question, what’s gone wrong? I mean, if you go to Google today and look up the news, whatever day you’re listening to this podcast, grab the top 10 stories and ask yourself, what are the predominant themes, the meta themes, right.

Not in the weeds. And what I would suggest is one of the primary themes we’ll see is men entrusted with power and that power bringing harm to themselves and those under their care. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Now just pause there that that’s deep waters. Why is it that the predominant theme on any given day can be men are entrusted with power and it doesn’t go well?

Hmm. And so what I want to ask is how do we become, how do we recover that generative process that we’re designed for, but that it’s no longer in the service of self? Mm-hmm. It’s no longer in the service of ego and that sort of incessant building that’s never enough, that constant reach for something or someone to make me feel good, to tell me I’m a man, and instead, if you turn it upside down and we recover identity and we become who God meant when he meant us, then we’re actually free to build in partnership with God because Chris, it’s not about us.

And, and it’s actually about being in service of God and his kingdom. And God can and do what he loves to do through us. But it’s a whole different energy and motive. And that’s where life gets really fun as a man.

14:13 Chris Grainger
No doubt, man. Absolutely. I mean, it all comes back to the identity, right? Cuz so many guys, I know they’re listening right now.

Their identity isn’t the things that this world, and you just completely debunk that, which I love. And then you talk about things like in your book, becoming a King. I mean, I think for so many guys that are listening, just a whole mindset of a king, like, man, they’re, I’m just trying to, to lead my family. I can’t be a king.

That’s not in me. We forget that we’re, you know, we’re, we’re part of that royal priesthood that he talk about in, in scripture, right? We don’t think of ourselves as a king. And why, why do you think that’s a mistake, Morgan? Why are we missing a boat here with a lot of guys?

14:46 Morgan Snyder
Yeah. It’s the images of King. You know, we all have something that comes to mind, right?

Yeah. And I’m guessing there’s a combination of some longing and some desire at some level. We wanna rule, we wanna win, we wanna conquer, we want to have something in us, whether it’s on a sports field, whether it’s in the stock market or it’s playing chess, or just our yard, our grass. We wanna, we wanna rule, right?

Mm-hmm. It’s d n a and, and so, let, let me, um, I, I wrote this blog, this piece last week that I’m really proud of. Um, that it is just my heart. Just open up my heart and see who, who, who God’s made me to be. It’s called My New favorite whiskey. And so I would encourage the listeners to check it out, but it’s the story of observing, uh, my son as a bus boy at the local restaurant, bourbon Brothers.

So he finished high school. He graduated, he’s entered into an initiation year, okay? Where it’s 18 months of just responding to God’s invitation to explore, to serve, and to have some life experiences before he goes to college. And part of it was he wanted to cut his way in the world of work on his own without me.

And so he’s an entrepreneur and he runs, you know, it, when he turned 18, he started an L l C doing landscaping and snow removal, but he wanted to show up at the local business and get his own job on his own terms. And so he’s the busboy, he is the bottom rung of the business and just practicing taking the lowest seat at the table, which is the way of the kingdom and not the way of the world.

And so in the peace, I just tell the history of my grandfather who was poor, and my dad who stood on his shoulders. And, and here I am watching my son and he doesn’t know I’m watching. And, um, just very emotional thinking of it, of just the pride of watching my son rule over his kingdom. Now Chris, in this moment, his kingdom is a dirty, wet plastic bin filled with dishes that he has to run back and forth as quick as he can in service to his customers.

He’s brand new at the job, he’s new at the industry, but the reason why I share that story is his kingdom is enlarging. It’s, it’s where Dallas Willard says, we have, say it’s the range of our effective will. So it’s where what we want done is done, right. The lion within is your kingdom. It’s a realm in which you have rule.

And so the issue is not how big or small is your kingdom. The issue is how are you ruling over the kingdom entrusted to your care? Because we all have one. It’s our mind, it’s our body. It’s our stuff, it’s our vocation and it’s event. And this is so important, Chris, our masculine initiation. We are meant to be God led in a God initiated story, a God bathed, the God breathed story.

We are meant to live in response to God. And so many men don’t ever become aware of how the Father is intimately, very purposefully, very particularly inviting them to recover the path and process of initiation. And that has everything to do with becoming a king. And the beauty of it is, you know, Lewis said that Heaven is the consummation of our earthly apprenticeship.

And so the truth is from a Christian worldview. Chris, all of this is prep. We will rule and reign in partnership with Christ forever. Mm-hmm. And the only thing we take in that world is the man we’ve become. Right. And so how are we preparing to rule in the world to come by ruling in this world? And so kingdom language as a man is really important to recover because it will orient us to the truest things about what make us men that are far more substantive and fundamental than things like vocation and even like, uh, geography or, or nationality.

Mm-hmm.

19:21 Chris Grainger
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So Morgan, you were, what you were saying really resonated with me so far as the kingdom, particularly the story of your son. Thank you for sharing that. And we will definitely have a link to that blog in the show notes for you guys. So go check the show notes out. We wanna make sure you got read, read that.

I can’t wait to read that one myself. And when I thinking about, you know, the kingdom that we have, you mentioned the areas of like your mind, your body, uh, your finances. That really, my friend is, is the, the pillars of, of the line within us is what we started. Cuz I’m trying to, to, to teach our guys and to encourage the guys that are part of our community.

It’s all about health, wealth, and self. They’re the three buckets, if you will, guys rule over that, right? Those are the three areas if we can, and when I talk about health, it’s mind and body wealth as your career and your finances itself as being a, a hu the best husband and dad that you can like, start there and, and make sure that we under we’re, we’re having that kingdom mindset.

Uh, as we, as we rule over those three areas and, and understand that we’re under the authority of God and we’re doing things and according to his will, and if we do that and we do it effectively and we do it well, there’s so much joy that we can have, you know, this side of heaven. And it doesn’t feel that way.

I mean, you’re sound like your son’s having joy right there, you know, busing tables, who thinks you can find joy doing that, but he’s

21:16 Morgan Snyder
finding it. Right? Right. And it’s giving him the context of the larger story of masculine initiation, right? Mm-hmm. Because the world, what’s fascinating, Chris, the time in history, you know, this goes without saying, but it lives below sometimes how we observe reality around us.

Our culture is profoundly lacking in both, um, direct and indirect. That is to say formal and informal rights of passage for a man. See most cultures in human history, and depending on your worldview of how long human history’s gone, it’s somewhere between 95 and 99% of human history. The path and process of a man coming out from the, the, the base of being a boy, this process from boy to man had some intentionality.

Mm-hmm. It had informal rights of passage, it had formal rights of passage, and now we live in such a specialized culture, such a mechanized culture, an information centered culture, a change culture. What’s happened is we have things like, um, turning 16 and getting a driver’s license and graduating from high school and being able to drink at 21 in the us.

Those are sort of the only markers left getting your first career getting married. But they were actually meant to be seated in a much larger process of initiation. And without the larger story, the human soul gravitates to the biggest story at finds. So for a lot of kids like me in high school, getting drunk and getting laid was a really big story.

Mm-hmm. It was the biggest story given to me, or perhaps being a leader. You know, I as president of my school for five years, eighth grade through senior year because that was the biggest, best story I could find. And I never had the larger story from which every other story flows about God and his kingdom and the restoration of all things.

And so, so much of the work of becoming a wholehearted man is tuning into God’s recovery of the process that meets every boy. Place in us, every uninitiated part of us, every immature part of us, right where we are, right? And brings to us a fresh open door back to the narrow road of initiation where we become wholehearted.

And that’s the primary story of every man’s life. Because the greatest gift we’ll ever bring to anyone is the person we become. And that’s where we get to participate with God. And every day, like you said, there’s an on-ramp that’s really intimate with God if we choose to see it from that perspective.

Mm-hmm.

24:21 Chris Grainger
Absolutely. I mean, and kind of taking back to that, that, that what you were talking about earlier about the rite of passage and that way we just, we don’t have that in our culture right now. I, it’s so interesting, man. Apparently it’s just God’s timing. We literally released an episode today talking about the rite of pa, milestone to manhood, the rite of passage for young men and how it, that’s completely lacking in our, in our society and our culture and what we as Christian men, the actions we need to start taking forward too.

Because I’m with you, man. For me, my story sounds very similar. It’s all about, you know, could, could I conquer the girl? Yes. Could I get out there and ha could I ha, could I hang with the boys drinking beer and, and whiskey at night? Uh, a lot of my, my, uh, story was on a baseball field too, so a lot of that was wrapped into athletics and what I could do on the field or waiting room or, you know, lifting weights and things like that.

But none of it, none of it was pointing to, to the greater narrative, right? Yes. And the greater story that’s actually happening around. And I think so many guys are missing that. And you know, for me, like becoming a man, I remember very. Very distinctly the day my dad got out of his truck and said, all right, you’re driving home.

Mm-hmm. And I was like, four 14, right? And I mean, that was a big moment for me as a young man. It was a r a really big area for me. But like, you know, those, those moments where we’re super intentional about pouring into, to young men to, okay, here’s, here’s your right of passage, here’s where I’m handing you off to your torch.

That just doesn’t happen in,

25:44 Morgan Snyder
in our culture. So, Chris, let me ask you this. Take me back to that 14, take me back to the truck. Take me back to dad saying you’re driving home. What happened in you? How old are you now? A 41 right now. Okay. Yeah. So 41, we’re looking back at 14 year old Chris. Yeah. What, what would you describe happened on that day in your soul?

26:12 Chris Grainger
In my soul, it was a, it was a moment of affirmation and confirmation. That in my father’s eyes, my earthly father that I, I, I achieved this milestone, right? Like I, at that point, I really felt like, you know what? I’m not his boy anymore. I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m really turning, I’m, I’m the young man now, you know, my dad, he’s trusting me in his prize possession as a nice truck too, by the way.

And it was just a, it was, it was kind of cool just to be able to have that moment with him by the wheel. And I felt the security, you know, I drove four wheelers and things. We grew up in the country, so it wasn’t like the first time I ever drove anything, but I knew he was there. I, I didn’t have to worry about it cuz my dad was with me.

You know? He was there and something was gonna happen. He could reach over and grab that steering wheel. I knew he’d take care of me. And now when I think back about it, now, you’ll make me emotional. I think about, you know, the, our, our heavenly father, he ha he’s that way right now with us. You know, he’s with us at all times.

But when I was with, when I, even now, when I’m with my earthly father, I don’t worry about stuff, man. I just, I just, I, he’s there. I know he is gonna be there.

27:17 Morgan Snyder
So Chris, that was beautiful. Thank you. And thank you for your emotion. I mean, what you just allowed to surface is just one of the fundamental questions in the heart of every man of who is God, what is he like, really?

Right? All the religious drapery just gets in the way, but what you just described was the image. Your experiential reality of the heart of God as a father is one who’s powerful but intimate. He’s right there next to you and is ready to grab the wheel if you need help, but he’s entrusting the keys of the kingdom to you, and in this case, the keys are a pretty sweet truck, and you’re going, I’m not sure I’m ready for this.

But he’s looking at you saying, son, you have what it takes. You can do this. And it’s not about getting it right. There’s room to make errors because I’m with you. I’ve got your back, right? You’re driving my truck. I trust you. I see you. Affection, validation, care. Connection, relationship. That’s the heart of God.

And what’s beautiful, Chris? Yes, we’ve lost a lot in our culture, but our father is fully capable of saving the world that he created in every human heart. And he’s very creative. Just look at creation and ask yourself, could the artist behind all this be less creative than what he does? And so the question is, how does the boy in the listener right now on this podcast, when you tell that story, I’m guessing it’s evoking some kind of emotion in every listener if we’re willing to just slow down, right?

And for many men, it’s longing for something they didn’t have in some piece of their story. And the question is, what if your father is so relentless and so personal that he’s actually right now in your life in this season, wanting to minister to that part of the boy, inside the man and integrate him into maturity That that part has yet to really allow the work of Christ to come to unite that boy to the Father, heart of God.

And all it takes is risking and it’s always requires risk, but risking being open to with the eyes of the heart to see, oh, God is recovering my initiation. He actually has rights of passages for me because Chris. Mm-hmm. I’ve seen it with my son. No one did that for me. Mm-hmm. I’m side by side as my son has been initiated and I have shepherd him him through his vision quest and these rights of passage.

I’m one really small step ahead of him because God’s doing it with me right on time. It’s perfectly on time for recovering what I didn’t have. And so it’s available to every man every day if he has eyes to see, cuz that’s what God loves to do.

30:21 Chris Grainger
Amen. Brother. I am curious just for you, for you, I’m sure it would help our listeners too.

You mentioned your son’s rite of passage. What did that look like? Do you have any details you can share? Cause like our guys are always looking for ideas, you know how to take some of these, these, these concepts and, and practically apply them. So if you have a, have a story or, or a recommendation there, man, we’re all.

30:42 Morgan Snyder
Yeah, I’ll give a little bit. Uh, it’s formal and informal. Um, okay. I, you know, I’m just walking with God and so is not a one size fits all. And then when it comes to my daughter, oh my gosh, you have to throw out the playbook. It begins with unlearning everything for the sake of love. But what I’d say is if there’s one idea, tri that’s most fundamentally shaped, my, let me say it this way, let me say two ideas, because the first idea is God is initiating my son.

Mm-hmm. But my responsibility, it’s his Heavenly Father. And now it begins with a question, father, how do I participate with what you are doing for your son? Mm Oh, Chris, it changes everything. Yeah. Because first off, the pressure’s off. It’s actually not on me. I’m not God. I am limited. And even the best version of me is only a slice of masculinity.

It takes a fellowship of men to give my son the portrait of what it means to be a man. And so for example, when he was 10, his first formal rite of passage, I got his favorite food, his favorite drinks, and like Legos, his favorite toys, and brought him with my men. And I got 10 or 12 of men of my closest guys together.

And to say, son, you’re just beginning. You’re a boy. And I bless the boy, I bless the boy, and I’m saying, don’t hurry. Don’t hurry. May that boy be alive in you forever. But make no mistake, you are beginning a transition into manhood. And what I want to say is, you are not alone. You’re right on time. These men love me.

And I have cultivated honest, authentic relationship. And you are welcome in the fellowship of Men. We need you and you need us. We bless the boy and we bless the process. And these men have room in their hearts for you. And so just beginning, right? No pressure. This isn’t performance in this. And here’s the key, it’s not about me, okay?

Because so many fathers out of our brokenness come to your question about a rite of passage with pressure because we don’t wanna screw it up. And that’s the orphan, that’s the uninitiated parts in us. So first I wanna say it’s about God initiating his son, and I want to participate. So I come with curiosity.

And secondly, the most important thing I can do to initiate my son is to become the kind of wholehearted man that I would love him to become one day. It is about me. It is about my repentance, my maturity, my risk taking, my growing and my walk with God. Because I offer who I am. I do who and what I am. And so as I become wholehearted, my questions about how to initiate my son diminish, my pressure diminishes.

And I start tuning in to God’s story for my son. Tuning, tuning into the particularities of my son’s heart, of his passion, his purpose under heaven, what his season is, what his timing is. And now I get to celebrate. And so, you know, I, I wish I could show you a picture, but he has this huge board in his room that we made, and it just says vision.

And it’s a beautiful board. It’s the size of a four by eight sheet of plywood. That’s how we build it. And it’s intentionally the biggest thing in his life, right? Until he turned 16 and got a and bought his first car, it framed everything. I wanted it to be big and bold and be this mosaic for his, we call him initiation badges.

And so once a year we climbed this mountain near our house and I give him a stack of initiation badges. And it was his, his, his first time serving, his first time failing. That’s a good badge because we, we must fail again and again and again. His first time going on a date with a girl, his first time doing hard work, his first time, um, you know, love, love loving his sister.

Well for her. His first time, um, you know, cutting the grass with a mower and just again, in his first time in a counseling appointment and celebrating these marks that are more significant than we understand. The first time being 14, driving dad home, right to the house, just like you described. Those are initiation badges.

And over time now at 18, his entire half of his room is covered. Me, has a couple hundred badges, and so do you know what it feels like at 18 when you’re, you know, you’re struggling, you struggle with sexuality, you struggle with pressures of vocation, you struggle with your physical body, and when you lay in your bed at night, you see plastered on your walls, what God thinks of you, how God sees you.

All these marks of celebration and they’re not achievement. Primarily they’re just celebrating identity and passing through these marks and moments. And so those are examples. Just sort of some practical operational, but also some, some, some philosophical pieces that I think are, are just a few thoughts on, on what to think about when we think about initiating young men and women.

36:30 Chris Grainger
Man, I absolutely love that. Morgan. So you, you, what did you call that? Board of vision? Uh, what

36:36 Morgan Snyder
I called his quest. It’s his vision quest. So very fo Okay. We have a formal framework from about age 10 to about age 18 to 20. It really depends on the boy, but yeah. Uh, you know, all of our life is masculine initiation.

You know, I, I want, I will be under construction until the day I die. One of my friends died of cancer and he knew he was dying and, and a 12 years battle with lung cancer. He had the privilege of making his own grave marker. And it says, John Milton Moorehead, end of construction. Thank you for your patience.

Like, how holy is it? He knew I’m under construction and now I’ve, I’ve neared the end of my beginning. And so the framework of all of my life is initiation into wholehearted mature masculinity. But in specificity we’ve set apart this time is his vision quest. And what I mean by that is in a very fundamental way, I’ve given my son the framework of the four sort of core initiation questions of who is God really?

Who am I as a man in general? And then in specific, What did God mean when he met me? What is the story in which we live? Like how do I interpret the beauty and suffering in these deep desires and profound brokenness? What’s the story meant to contain all these things and what is that frontier? What is the edge of my risk taking as a boy, as a man?

Is it that I need to learn hard work? Is it that I need, how to learn? How to play? Is it that I need to get healthy, as you said, by losing weight or gaining weight, right? It’s very intimate. We all are meant to live right on the frontier of our masculine initiation. So I gave my son those four questions as a framework, and it was his mission to tune into God through whatever context.

You know, my son, it was, he loves school and he loves learning. It was lacrosse and it was football, and it was the first girlfriend and it was his first mission trip. But all those contexts to hold those initiation questions. And so now he’s finished his vision quest and we have our last formal ceremony coming up he doesn’t know about.

So I hope that he doesn’t hear this podcast, but we have this beautiful community-based kind of, uh, I I, I’m not gonna tell the details cuz it’s his story to share, but he, as part of that, I’m gonna ask him in front of a company, sorry. It’s just so emotional because it’s just what, it’s what’s right in the world.

Yeah. And there’s so much wrong in the world. But to see a young man have an opportunity to root his heart in God and God’s affection for him and identity, it gives me hope. He gets to stand on my shoulders. And so part of the prayer, the consecration validating him some, some very particular gifts. He’s going to respond to the community and say, here’s what I’ve come to know.

This is what God is like. This is who I am. This is the story in which I live, and this is where my frontier is, and what I get to say is, son, let’s keep going together. This is not a finish line. This is just the prologue. And now we’ve just gotten started.

40:04 Chris Grainger
Man, what a powerful story, Morgan. That is, that is so great right there.

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So Morgan, it sounds like you set your son up on a path, and now to go back to your book. I can’t, I, uh, it was just coming, it was just screaming at me. As you were talking there about what you’re doing with him now, he’s becoming, you know, a warrior, you know, that’s really where he, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s it.

He’s getting ready to enter the battlefield of real life. And I love in your book how you really broke that down. That’s one of the chapters for sure about you. You gave some very practical steps and how we can, you know, kind of utilize that and, and lean into that idea becoming a warrior. I’d just love to give you a chance to unpack that a little bit for our listeners out there who are, who are probably fired up right now to get, these guys are ready to go to get their own vision quest boards going, man, and start making these badges.

So what, how about becoming a warrior? What do you think about

41:57 Morgan Snyder
that? Yeah, it’s great. Yeah. And, and, and just ask God what’s so beautiful, Chris is ask the holy. What’s my board? How do I set up that board? What are my badges? You know, I grew up, yeah. Um, as a suburban kid, sort of inside kid golfer, arga socks. I didn’t grow up on the farm like you did.

My dad, you know, grew up in poverty, became a professional, a surgeon, and he was gone. He, he, he wasn’t ever around. And what I didn’t know was I have a heart for wilderness, but I was so scared of the wilderness because I was never trained, I was never fathered. And so when I came west, God used archery hunting in backcountry public land, Colorado as the place to initiate me as a, as a man and father, me as a son.

And so my initiation board, if you come to my office, it’s filled with stories of, of animals, right? It’s just of antlers everywhere and skins everywhere. And it’s just, It’s a tribute, it’s a, it’s a living memorial to the badges and pictures of my wife and my kids are reminding me who I’ve become through trial and failure and success and, and, and, and all the, the building blocks of masculine initiation.

And so, yeah, I would say to the men, go for it. Ask God Holy Spirit leads you like, like, take some risks, let it be messy. You are loved and you’re right on time. But to get to your question about the warrior, you know, identity is, is so vital in understanding how we live Chris and our world’s. And what I wanna say to the listener, you are a warrior.

And so how do you become a warrior? You are a warrior. And so how do you become a warrior? And the problem is we often go to where it’s gone sideways and we stop there of going, it gets me in trouble, right? It’s either my aggression, Out of some ego and, you know, and just look at how I drive, you know, or how I handle.

I mean, all sorts of, uh, um, dynamics in our life, our relationship with our wives. It can either be aggression or passivity. Both of those are false expressions of the warrior as far as when the aggression ends up bringing harm to ourselves and others. And so what I would invite the listeners to get to as design, you are a warrior.

And so what’s your story with that? If you would just sort of use it as an interpretive grid and look back, I, I call it redemptive remembering. So think of your boyhood. Where did the warrior just surface? Where did he first present? And now here’s an important question. What was the message to him about being a warrior?

Some guys will validate it. Some guys were shut down. Yeah. So then as you go through your teenage years, what did the Warrior do next? What was his great battle to fight? What was the larger story in which the warrior had a context? What did he do with success? What did he do with failure? Recovering the story of the warrior, that’s a big part of sort of locating where we meet God in what’s next to become a warrior whose strength is in the service of others.

And then I think an OnRamp to it. You know, we talked offline about the Navy Seals and, uh, Kate Corley has this great book of the Navy Seal Survival Guide, and one of the sort of principles they use is, is called Getting Off the Ax. You know, where they basically say if you are in, if, if it’s going sideways, the first thing you need to do here and now is assess the clear, clear, clear and present danger.

And get off the X. Mm-hmm. And so, for example, you know, there’s a shooter in a building, you can’t help other people if you’re dead. So the first thing you need to do is get to safety. You know, get low, get outside, get in a place where you are safe, that you can assess the situation and now say, how can I use my strength courageously to love other people?

Mm-hmm. And so whatever the X is, it’s really important to identify it, you know? And for some men, they just need some rest. Mm-hmm. And Chris, this is deep waters. Our world is busy, hurried and loud for some men, the warrior just needs to lay in a hammock. You know, I keep a little camp chair in my truck, a little solo stove pocket rocket.

I sneak into pockets of wilderness. Right here in Atory, every chance I get, and I might lay in a hammock or have a cigar or sit out, you know, in my camp chair, and sometimes I’ll just sit, I’ll take a nap in the sun in the summer and just value my heart as much as God does to just get a rest because I realized the reaching for too much alcohol or too much sugar or too much exercise, those are places that I can really medicate.

Sometimes I just need to be loved by getting a little rest because the warrior is just, it is, I’ve been at war on every front and I’m really vulnerable. And so even an idea like that can really get our heart back connected with the heart of the father, that that can find something that’s accessible and not overwhelming.

47:43 Chris Grainger
Man, that is powerful. And that’s something that I thank so many guys. Morgan, you probably just struck a chord. I def you definitely did with me because we get wrapped up and busy and we don’t think about what truly matters. You know, and we look at our calendars and we, we try to stack, stack, stack. And man, the, the idea of just slowing down and just being present with God, man, there is so much power in that.

I mean, just, and it sounds like you’ve built the mechanisms into your, to your schedule, into your, your process that, you know, you can just make that happen. You know, you don’t have to be, you know, it doesn’t have to be this big outside the, the box thing. It’s just, it’s there. You have that ability. So, I mean, hats off to you.

So guys, hopefully you, you picked up something there for sure, man, that, that was an incredible tip, Morgan.

48:26 Morgan Snyder
Yeah, I mean, part of the heart in becoming a king is one of the mantras is by day in, by decade, by day, in, by decade, nature is really our first sacred tax, and it teaches us that the best things in life aren’t free.

They’re not quick. They’re not easy and they’re not cheap. Right. God is not in a hurry. And so I love the measurement of a decade. Yeah. It really takes a lot of pressure off and yet decades are built a day at a time. And so, you know, I, I’ve sort, I’ve cultivated what the ancients would call a rule of life over time.

Mm-hmm Building in practices that were experimental and they’re very seasonal. Chris, you know, we now have these grown teenagers, but this started when our kids were infants. Yeah, that’s right. I would walk with my son, he was our first born, I call it the man bag. It’s kind of the kangaroo pouch. You know, me and every other woman down at the park have one of them.

I was the only dad out there. I would walk hours and hours with my son in this pouch cuz it was the only place in the bike trailer and on the pouch. The only two places he didn’t cry for like the first six months in my memory. But I was never a walker. You know, I run, I’m an intense guy, and God gave me this on-ramp to just walk, to walk slowly to breathe and to just have my son outdoors without a phone in intimate space.

And yeah. And so that was the on-ramp. And so it’s by day and by decade, but I believe that there is, um, there, there is an on-ramp for every man that’s right here and now in his world. And it happens with two degree shifts. And if we consent to those things that, that are absolutely necessary, you know, St.

Francis says, we’ll find ourself doing the things over time that are possible. And then over time we’ll find ourselves doing the things that are impossible. You don’t start with the marathon. You start with getting outside and taking a walk or taking a run. And over a decade it builds up a transformed life.

50:35 Chris Grainger
Amen brother. Amen. Cuz I mean like the old saying, you know, we, we overestimate what we can do in a year and we totally underestimate what we can do in a decade. So I mean that’s, that’s so powerful right there. So we’ll take our last break guys. We’ll be right back and, and, and wrap up with Morgan. Hey, so Morgan there before we, we end this today.

Man, there was something in your book that I think it’s gonna speak to so many guys. It’s, it is actually in the chapter on me becoming lighthearted and I just wanted to get your take on this cuz this, I talk about this a a lot here within the, the, the line within us. And it’s a paragraph you said, and it says very gently, Sherry said Morgan, you don’t seem to have any peers.

You have older men from whom you seek out and advice and relationship and younger men you offer to, but you really don’t seem to spend a lot of time with men your age. And can I make an observation? You lost your smile. And I think those two things are connected and I would love. For you just to, to touch on the importance as that’s why we built this community of trying to serve Christian men and bring these guys together and love on each other, pray for each other.

You know, if a lion is hurt, we put ’em in the middle. We come, we come around and we keep the strong guys around them, right? And we build ’em up. But I just wanted to get your take, you know, what would you offer up to God that maybe really resonates with that one paragraph right there?

51:49 Morgan Snyder
Yeah, that’s great.

It’s, it’s really wild to hear you read that, um, Chris, because that was boy, almost 20 years ago, was that conversation. Mm-hmm. And I remember it like it was yesterday and now I look at the fruit of intentionally fighting for authentic masculine friendship. Mm-hmm. Over two decades. And I wanna say, oh brothers, it works.

And it’s non-negotiable. It takes time. But it’s what God wants for you. It is profoundly spiritually opposed. You have to know that it has to be fought for. And the golden nugget that I found Chris, was I had to become the kind of person that someone else would want to have as a brother. Cuz it’s easy to look and say, where are the good men?

Where are the guys that want this? And make it actually about finding the perfect guy or the perfect friendship. And that doesn’t exist. Yeah. I mean, we all are a beautiful mess. A lot more mess than beauty on a lot of days. But when I focus on becoming the kind of person that other men would want to have in their foxhole, that other men would go to war, you know, for that, that phrase Dan Aller told me, that’s him becoming a king early in these days.

He said, fine, like-hearted men, like-hearted kings, sign treaties, and when they are at war, You are at war. The implication is I am coming first to serve, to offer, to love, to have a constant posture, forgiveness, and a, and a energy towards reconciliation. That’s the heartbeat of true masculine friendship.

And so the question is, how do you then cultivate atmospheres of authentic masculinity? Men need fire. There’s something about a fire. I’ll tell you what a group of guys can get together in Starbucks. That’s okay. But put a group of guys around fire. The conversation changes. Men need to do things together.

They need a mission. So yesterday was my 47th birthday and I’m not, I’m not a birthday party guy, but I was praying about it and I was just like, Jesus, you know, I’ve learned to love myself. I’ve learned to accept God’s affection for me, Chris, which is a really big, big deal. Now, there was so much self hatred in my story, and, and I, I said Father, father and I were talking and he said, what do you wanna do for your birthday?

How, how should we celebrate it? And I said, I wanna bike 47 miles on single track and put together some epic route that ends with a lot of chicken wings and PBRs and like, that’s what I want. Cheap beer and chicken wings at the end of 47 miles. And I know my son’s in and I have the kind of friends that are totally up for that.

And it’s snowing in Colorado. This is not the time to do it. But I picked, picked the first free day and I said to my buddies, happy birthday to me. It’s my party. Join me seven 30 my house. I put the date, we’re going 47 miles and we’re ending up with chicken wings and beers. I have those friends that say yes to that cultivated over two decades, you know, and, and by taking care of my body, I have the body that, that can do that.

And it’s an example. Of the answer to a question of how do I put myself in proximity to share authentic masculinity? Mm-hmm. Our culture is very lonely, Chris, and men get taken out in isolation. We have to risk, we have to begin with becoming the kind of person that someone else would want a friend. And I’ll just finish with, I have, I have reconciled that the kind of life that I want, the level of joy, the level of intimacy, the level of adventure I can’t have on my own.

It’s literally impossible to have that life without God. And a few men in whom I live authentically and I share intimately, and it’s available to every man. But you have to fight.

56:05 Chris Grainger
Amen, brother. Now that is powerful Morgan. And the whole point about being that man that other men would wanna be around guys.

I mean, you have to take that for real. I mean, that’s the same way I talk to you single guys out there about trying to find the one girl, quit trying to find the one girl, be the man that that one girl is looking for. Like, that’s, that’s what you need to do. Just focus on that. So, Morgan, do you have, I’d love to do a quick lightning round.

I have about three or four questions. We always do this with our guests. It’s a fun way to wrap up the line within this interview. So if you’re willing to jump in, we call it the, the, the feeding time. If you’re willing to jump in, man, you wanna, uh, play this lightning round game with us.

56:38 Morgan Snyder
You got it. All right.

56:39 Chris Grainger
What’s your favorite hobby?

56:41 Morgan Snyder
Uh, bow hunting. Bow

56:43 Chris Grainger
hunting. Okay. I had to be something outside. I know. Yeah.

56:47 Morgan Snyder
Public land, high country. The sound of bugling elk in September. It’s always dynamic. They always have the upper hand. And what I love to hunt for most are great stories.

57:01 Chris Grainger
That’s it. That’s it. So if you can have the same meal each day, you only get to eat this one meal, man.

What is it? What’s your go-to meal?

57:10 Morgan Snyder
Oh, man. Well, I just outed myself with chicken b chicken wings and PBRs, but I’ll tell you what, um, my fa one, my, one of my favorite non-traditional spiritual disciplines is butcher butchering. You know, I, I, I do wild game butchering and I mm-hmm. I butchered 13, uh, big game animals in my garage.

And, uh, it’s by joy. So whatever I glean from the field and I butchered with my son and my friends. I love to go from forest to table and watch my family feast on things that I provided. That’s my favorite meal.

57:46 Chris Grainger
I love it. I love it. So, what, what’s, uh, what’s your favorite thing when you think about God?

What is the favorite thing that just jumps out about God?

57:55 Morgan Snyder
Oh, his sense of humor. He cracks me up. He cracks me up. So I’m, I, I think of like my neighbors. Uh, okay. So I live in Atory, right? Like Poage stamp houses, little lots, high fences, and the winds are relentless in Colorado Springs. And one of my favorite things is when I’m driving around town and I see fences that have been blown down, and I see sprinkler heads that are broken and they’re just gushing in the spring.

And it’s just a sense of humor from God of just like, we try to manicure, we try to control everything. We try to control God, and he just doesn’t have that so blown down fences and broken sprinkler heads. I love his humor. He cracks me up all the time.

58:45 Chris Grainger
I love it. I love it. Now let’s flip that real quick.

What’s your least favorite thing about Satan? My least

58:51 Morgan Snyder
favorite thing is he’s really effective man. He’s

58:54 Chris Grainger
really effective. Yeah, bro, it is

58:56 Morgan Snyder
moment by moment. He is very particular. Very personal in his strategy. His strategy for you probably wouldn’t work well for me. Mm-hmm. But his strategy for me works really well for me.

And so I’ve become a real student of his particular strategy. And the good news is he is very weak in comparison to the resurrection and ascension power of Jesus Christ.

59:26 Chris Grainger
Amen. Brother. Last, last two questions here. So, what’s a new habit maybe that you’ve started recently or that you wanna start that you wanna share with our guys?

59:35 Morgan Snyder
Okay, so I had an older mentor that, um, you know, a, a non nonprofit, don’t have a bunch of money, and worked really hard to steward what I have. And an old mentor had a hot tub and he said is one of the wisest things I ever bought. I said, why’d you buy a hot tub? And he said, it bought me 15 minutes with my teenage kids every night.

And my kids were little at the time, and I started a hot tub fund. I started saving up money because when my kids turned 16, turns out they vanish. And now when they were in your business all day and all long or all night and all day, here they are gone. And so I knew I needed to save the money. And when they turned 16, I wanted to gift the family of a hot tub because it was a way to get them back and have intimate conversations.

So now we have a hot tub and it does two amazing things there. There’s a rule, no big conversations, just joy, just joyful conversations and connection, uh, with family in the hot tub. And then I do a lot of soaking by myself. I’ll sneak home in the middle of the day and it’s a place where God really mothers me, where I get nurture, comfort, compassion, mercy, care for my body.

And it’s a real intimate place and a spiritual practice with me, with God, my hot tub.

1:00:53 Chris Grainger
I love it. So start that hot, hot tub. Fun guys. You heard it right here. So Morgan, the last question for you here. What’s one thing you hope the listeners out there remember from our conversation

1:01:02 Morgan Snyder
today? Uh, we covered a lot of ground.

And if you’re like me, that you’re a student, a lifetime learner and lover, my invitation would be go back, go slow, take your time and revisit this. Mm-hmm. But if there’s one thing I wish they would take away, I wish that they pause after this podcast for 90 seconds. Breathe, sit in silence and ask God what is the one thing he would have them take away.

The scriptures say that, um, those that belong to God hear God’s voice. You belong to God. You hear his voice, take 90 seconds and ask him that question.

1:01:55 Chris Grainger
Amen brother. Amen. Well, Morgan, where do you want guys to go to connect with you, to connect with your resources to get the book and just give you an opportunity here to, to point them to, to, to places that you would like for them to, to visit?

1:02:07 Morgan Snyder
Sure. Yeah. There’s a whole world and Chris, this, the content that we’ve just touched on today has been curated, distilled over two decades and all of that. Um, the, the podcast is a really powerful platform for ongoing kingdom apprenticeship. Uh, the book, you can find it all, um, at becoming a king.com. But one of the pieces that it felt like the spirit in this podcast really highlighted was brotherhood, and I’ve taken the book, but it, it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

There’s a deep study guide. There’s a free six week, um, series with videos that are all free with curated questions that you can go through by yourself or with other men. But we have a four day retreat. It’s all free where I’ve led over a decade out here and we took it and put it in videos, HD films, all the resources you need to do it with a few other men.

It’s at becoming a king retreat.com. And if I were a listener and something was resonating and I felt the spirit of God moving and I was part of Lion within PO Community and I said, I want to go more, I want to go deeper with a few other brothers, you can go to becoming a king retreat.com. You can register a gathering.

It takes three and a half days. Find a place with a, you know, a great tv, a place for guys to sleep and eat. You can grab four guys. And if they make it a public, We promote those through all of our channels, and like-hearted men will find you. So you can do it private in your fellowship, your church, your men’s group, but you can do it public and the thirsty men will find you.

And I don’t wanna waste my pain and I only have so many bullets to fire. I want to do it with like-hearted men. So becoming a king retreat.com is an incredible resource that’s all free that we’ve put out for the men that want more.

1:04:00 Chris Grainger
Amen, brother. We’ll make sure all those links are in the show notes for you listeners to go check that out.

For sure. Morgan, I can’t thank you again, my, my friend, for taking the time to share with us today and for coming on the line within us. Anything else you’d like to share with us?

1:04:12 Morgan Snyder
No, Chris, I love who you are, love who you’re becoming, and I just, I pray that God would continue to strengthen you, um, that you would be loved, that you would be seen, that you would be cared for, and that God would continue to just give you supernatural energy to keep fighting for the hearts of men.

Thanks for being at your post.

1:04:30 Chris Grainger
Amen bro. Thank you so much. Morning, you have a, you have just a wonderful day, sir.

1:04:34 Morgan Snyder
Thanks buddy. You too.

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So guys, I told you you would not be disappointed in this conversation, right? So, Morgan, phenomenal guy. I know you guys got a lot out of this. Go back you, this is one you’re gonna have to listen to again. You’re gonna need to take some notes. He unpacked a tremendous amount of, of information and insight and wisdom and, and discernment for sure, for us and guys that you think about.

The question you may be asking yourself right now. Well, Chris, I’ve listened to all this about Morgan. That’s great, but do I have what it takes? The answer is yes. Yes, you have what it takes. I promise you that. Okay, now, now Satan, he’s gonna be crafty. He’s gonna throw those lies at you. And those lies seem so real.

They seem so valid. They seem so legit. They seem so concrete. I know all these things are working against you. You know why? Cause they’re the same things I deal with. They’re the same issues I do. Do I have what it takes? Guys? I’m here to tell you, it speaks to the power of the importance of, of being, understanding who you are and who’s you are.

You are. You are a bought by the king, right? And you also need a ban of brothers coming alongside you. Morgan and I, we talked about that at the very end of that conversation there. And guys, I’m just, I’m just going to throw it out again. If you’re not part of a local fellowship of of, of a church, you gotta get plugged in.

And then if you do not have a local ban of brothers, I would highly encourage you to check out the line within us. We are building this community. It is powerful. These guys are leaning into each other each and every day between the challenges, the events, the opportunities for these guys to serve each other, telling you it’s something incredible happening.

And the only way you get you get access is you have to get into the community. You have to jump in. And of course we’re gonna give you 30 day free trials so that you can actually see what this is, guys, what we’re doing, how we can serve others. Morgan’s got me thinking we’re probably gonna be working through this becoming a King series as a group cuz this is just way we we’re gonna need to, to, to iron sharpening iron with each other.

So we’ll be going through some of this material. So guys gotta take some opportunity to go to the line within us and check us out. There’s, there’s, there’s links all over the main page. Start your 30 day free trial, okay? If you want some one-on-one coaching, maybe you just really are, are just down and you need some one-on-one help.

We have that support too. Do one-on-one coaching. We can help you. Now, if you need help with your men’s group and you, you’re looking for someone to come in and get that fire started for you guys, guys, reach out. We’re doing some, we’re doing talks now with, with men’s groups, with churches, and we’d love to come in and help serve.

You have a couple really, uh, topics that are designed to serve you well, to help get conversations, going, to help light a charge for us to be the men that we have called to be. Guys become the king. You can become the king. But you gotta take action. So anyway, all those ways, if you wanna connect with us there with any of those questions, support at the line within us, send us an email.

Love to hear from, you’d love to connect with you, love to send you some information on how we can serve you, your men’s group, your church. Just reach out. We’re, we’re, we’re here to serve. Okay guys, if you could leave us a rating and review, that would help. But this particular episode, you want to send this to a fellow brother, you need to forward this one over, okay?

This is one you don’t wanna sit on. You want to actually hit the four button share this episode. Send that text message. That’s how podcasts grow, okay? That’s how they grow. Guys, that would be a tremendous help. If you would take the time, the time to do that, it would mean the world to us. And again, we have all these, these resources, all these events happening.

Go to the line with us, check it out, join the community. Just check in and see if you want to inside look again, support at the line within us. Send us an email. We’re gonna have a conversation with you. We wanna make sure we get. Your questions answered directly to help you just make the best decision you have, you can moving forward.

So guys, come back on Friday and we’ll have some really good tips. We’re gonna break down some health, wealth and self tips again, the book of the week. I got a couple of fun dad jokes. I know you’re gonna like. So guys, we’re gonna have a little bit of fun as we wrap up this week, but hopefully this helps you get, you get your mind right and it helps you understand that you are a king.

Remember you a royal priesthood. Okay Morgan, he laid this out beautifully. So we’ll see you next time guys. Come back. Don’t forget, unleash the lion within.