00:00 Chris Grainger
Welcome to the Lion Within Us, a podcast sermon, Christian men who are hungry to be the leaders God intends you to be. I’m your host, Chris Granger. Let’s jump in. All right guys. It’s your meet episode of the week. I’m excited to have you here. Before we get any further, let’s jump right into our scripture.

Okay. So the scripture of the week is Psalm 1 39, verse 16. Okay. Verse 16 says, your eyes have seen my formless substance, and in your book were written all the days that were, or that were ordained for me when as yet there was not one of them. So, guys, powerful scripture right there. Go back, listen to the spiritual kickoff.

If you had, if you’ve missed that this week, it’s okay. Go back and check it out. Really unpacked the scripture and I put it through a lens of a story cuz I look right here what it says in your book. Were written all the days that were ordained for me. Right? So the, the conversation that I’m having today is I brought in Bob Wheatley.

Okay? And, and he has, he has, he, he’s an author. He wrote a book. I call it our heart’s desire. And guys, it’s such a powerful story and it talks about the story of our life and how God is the author with the capital A right? And we’re the little a authors of our lives. And so I think you’re gonna really get a lot out of this.

So it definitely had me thinking a lot around the different parts of my life so far as, uh, you know, you have us as, you know, the cast, like we have God as the author, then we have the heroes in these stories, and we have love interest in the stories. We have enemies in our stories, uh, and, and how they all work together in a beautiful way.

And whether or not your story is terrible, right? You feel like it’s just my story’s not any good. Or maybe you feel like you’re rocking it right? Wherever that season you’re at in life, you all have a story. And when you sta take a step back and just, and, and, and kind of get away from the story itself so much in the weeds and just step back and see.

You can see the beautiful things that God is doing. Okay, so now Bob Wheatley, who is this guy? Well, he’s a bestselling author. He’s a podcaster and he’s perform, uh, a former professional athlete. Uh, he serves as a co-host of the, the, that single show that’s a singles ministry sponsored by a Christian radio in Dallas, Texas, and hit through that work with that single show.

He’s worked with a lot of bestselling authors, you know, keynote speakers, and just world class musicians. So Bob, he’s, he’s a fun guy. Uh, for sure. He went to the University of Southern California. He played four years of professional baseball. He played with the Blue Jays and the St. Louis Cardinals, uh, in the, in the minor league systems.

He was a lefty, by the way. Uh, so we talk up that a little bit and have some fun there. Uh, in his spare time, he loves reading, writing, hiking, watching sports, and he actually is in, based outta Nashville, Tennessee. So that’s where he’s at now, guys. So, had a lot of fun with Bob. I think this is one you’re gonna really enjoy.

You know, kind of sit back if you’re a movie guy, his book really resonates well cause he has so many movie references. That, for, for me, just, just definitely hit the mark. Okay. So think about your story as you go through this conversation and as you’re listening to Bob and, and and me, we kinda walk through this conversation.

Think about your story directly and how, what that, what does that look like right now? What can you be doing to making sure that you’re not input you at the center of your story, but you’re, that you’re putting Christ Christ, he needs to be at the center of your story. So enjoy this conversation with Bob Wheely.

So Bob Wheely, welcome to the Lion with Dennis. How you doing today?

03:33 Bob Wheatley
I’m doing great. Yeah. Good morning. Thanks for having me. Oh, I’m

03:35 Chris Grainger
so excited to have you here, Bob. So before we, we, we dig in cause I’m excited to definitely unpack, uh, your, your book here. Tell us a fun fact. It’s up to fun about you that maybe not, not many people know.

03:48 Bob Wheatley
Uh, that’s a good question. I was kind of caught off guard by that. Uh, the first thing that came to mind, I was a football player in high school. I always felt like more of a football player than a baseball player, even though I mm-hmm. Ended up playing a couple years professionally in high school. My senior year, our first game was at Ohio State is at the horseshoe.

Yeah. And we played kind of this Ohio slash California bash and it was on E S P N. And I talk about it in the book, but that’s just a, a, a fun thing that I was able to experience. And we lost the game. I got sacked six times. It was not a fun day. But yeah, it was, uh, it was a really fun experience overall and something I’m really grateful for.

It was the Kirk Herbstreit Classic.

04:31 Chris Grainger
Okay. Yeah, for sure. I definitely remember reading that in the book. Absolutely. And but baseball was your, your primary too, right? That was, I mean, you end up playing

04:39 Bob Wheatley
that. Yeah, I mean, I, I’m tall, I’m left-handed. It helps to be a tall quarterback. It’s not necessarily an advantage to be a left-handed quarterback, whereas with pitching, which was what I did in college and what I did professionally, that is an advantage in that, I don’t know the exact numbers.

Let’s say there’s, you know, 20% of the population is left-handed. Well, you need probably an equal amount of left-handed pitchers. Yeah. So there’s just, there’s just fewer of us with an equal demand or an equal need. And so, yeah, I, you know, I’d, I’d say my, my talent was probably equal between the two sports.

Yeah. But just given that I have that advantage, fortunately, I, I throw things with my left hand. So that was, uh, what, you know, got me to college and eventually professionally. And who, who did you play

05:28 Chris Grainger
for professionally?

05:30 Bob Wheatley
So I was drafted by the Blue Jays. I played for them for two years. Then I signed with St.

Louis. With the Cardinals. Yeah, I played for them for one year and then reported to spring training in 2017, so like a year in change. And then I played a couple of months in independent professional baseball before wrapping, wrapping it up. Nice.

05:49 Chris Grainger
Nice. Well, thank you for sharing that. And shout out to Steven.

I, one of our longtime listeners, he’s actually been a guest on our show too. He’s a big lefty guy. He, he, he’s all about coaching the lefties man. So I’m sure he’s got a big smile on his face right now.

06:03 Bob Wheatley
Okay. I like it. Nice. Good stuff. Good

06:05 Chris Grainger
stuff. So, man, you had 19 chapters, Bob, we talked about this a little bit offline, uh, before we got started.

So it was 19 chapters and I was reading it. I’ll start counting the, the number of movie references that you had. And it ended up being 40, right? That’s as based off my counts. So I gotta note before we get started, cause usually I had, I saved this for the end for like a fun lightning round question, but like, man, you, you li you listed so many movies.

What’s, what, do you have a favorite movie of all time? Because we’re gonna be talking about the stories of our life here and man, you had some really good movies that you called out.

06:39 Bob Wheatley
Yeah. Favorite movie of all time that, I don’t know if I can give you just one cuz there’s so many good ones. Yeah. On my shortlist, usually I love Inception.

It’s just such a thinker and I, the first time I watched it in my mind was just blown. And of course you gotta watch Inception a couple times to really figure out what’s going on cuz it’s like dreams within Dreams Within Dreams. Just so unique that Christopher Nolan came up with that. I also like the Book of Eli a lot as a believer.

Just that, that path of the, the journeyman who’s fully surrendered to God and being used in, in such a truly miraculous way. Mm-hmm. So those are the first two that came to mind. Oddly enough though, with all these dozens of movies that I quote in the book, I’d say my favorite story actually isn’t a movie.

It’s, it’s a play le miserable. Okay. And I, I share that, you know, smack in the middle of the book. I’m not gonna spoil too much by saying this. I’ve always grown up enjoying place, like Broadway shows and stuff like that. And so I use oftentimes on the front end of a chapter, some sort of story, some illustration to dictate a point.

It’s usually movies, but in that case, with Lay, I just really, I really enjoy that show and actually just watched it a couple weeks ago at the Tennessee Performing Arts Center when it came here to Nashville. So as far as the book, not, you know, favorite movies all the time, but the book itself, there’s just something about Lay Mis just gets me.

Yeah. Hmm.

08:09 Chris Grainger
Awesome man. Well thank you so much for that. So, I mean, guys, if you’re, if you’re a movie buff, you’re gonna love this book. And, and Bob, maybe just get us started. What, what led you to, to actually putting the work in? Cuz I mean, writing a book that’s a big under tailing, so what, what made you wanna write this particular story?

08:26 Bob Wheatley
Yeah, so I had been writing for some time before that I had stopped and started on a couple of different books. That writing passion really stemmed from a reading passion. So I think, I think that’s how it begins, like most writers are, are readers. I’d probably say all writers are readers, so I was reading a lot.

I was also interested in stories, so not just reading stories, but like creating stories. How does it work? What is the, what is the science behind the art type of thing? So creating worlds, building characters, the arc of a story. So I started studying those things. I was writing a little more, and then also just being a believer.

My faith has really taken off since moving to Nashville. That’s kind of what, what led me to move out here to the south. And you know, being right in the heart of the Bible belt. I have a mentor here in town and he and I have read the Bible in a year cover to cover every year since I’ve been out. So, you know, 2023, as we’re sitting here recording, this will be the sixth year in a row that I read the Bible cover to cover.

That doesn’t mean that I’m an expert in it. Like I’m not a pastor. I’m not shepherding a church. I, I didn’t go to seminary or, you know, I’m not a theologian, but I’m a Christian who is constantly reminding himself of God’s master story. So, to go back to your question, how did this book happen? I was the reader slash very novice writer.

I was learning about stories, creating worlds and characters and things like that. And then I was reading the Bible for 20, 30 minutes a day, every day for years. Mm-hmm. So it was like, in one moment, and this is the, the first chapter of the book I’m reading yet another novel, and it just kind of hit me.

It’s like, okay, this, this story, the hero, the villain, the love interest to be saved. We started in paradise. That paradise was soon undone. Then we’re spending the next 300 pages trying to restore that paradise. Like I’ve heard this before and of course I had that thought on a number of occasions cuz you’ll see all the parallels.

It’s like, star Wars is Harry Potter is avatar, is like, you have all these comparisons, but I hadn’t made the connection to one of like this, this is the Bible. The Bible is that story hero, villain, love, interest, start in paradise, return to paradise. So it was kind of just the perfect storm in that I was thinking about stories a lot.

That was the language that my, you know, my internal voice was, was thinking through. And then, you know, I had a pretty decent understanding of what God’s story is. 30,000 foot view. What does the Bible say? I was reminding myself of it and it’s like, whoa, okay, this, I guess it’s not just the Hunger Games, I guess it’s not just the matrix.

That’s right. Mio is a character. He knows kung fu. He destroys the matrix. That’s cool. It’s like this is eerily similar to the story of Jesus. Mm-hmm. Long awaited savior comes to liberate the humans who are imprisoned by a force that they can’t see or taste or touch. Is that the matrix or is that sin?

Yes. So we keep telling this story, and this is, you know, the entire premise of my book is like, Hey, you might just be closer to God than you ever realized. And you could be the agnostic moviegoer who loves the Matrix, who loves the hunger Games, whatever it might be. And these, these moments in the story just rile you up and you’re like, yes, I believe that to be good and right and true.

Mm-hmm. And then you just leave it there. Like, oh, I hope, I hope they come up with, with a new, you know, a new iteration of this, you know, star Wars episode 14. Right. It’s like, no. It, it is not, it’s not Star Wars. It’s not the Death star like you want God. That’s why I title the book Our heart’s Desire, how our stories reveal the thing we want most God is our heart’s desire.

It’s not some sort of love story. Some sort of epic like, oh, I hope they make a movie about my life. It’s like, no, you were born into an epic. Mm-hmm. Your creator, the author of this story, our God created you to recognize that narrative. Right. That’s why we long for it. That’s why we write it over and over again.

So, and that’s how, you know, you mentioned, I quote three dozen plus stories, movies. That’s why it was so easy, because every story, every book, every novel, every Broadway show was written by a human, A human created by God. Mm-hmm. We can’t get away from that story. That’s

13:18 Chris Grainger
right. We can’t, you know, I was thinking the whole time when I was reading your book too, I did a, I did some training last year sometime.

It was from, you probably know, familiar with Donald Miller? Yeah. Uh, the, the story brand and the things he teaches. And when I was going through that training, I had the same moment that you did. I was like, wait a minute, this is, this is, this aligns to scripture, you know, you have mm-hmm. You have the, the hero, you have the enemy, you have, you know, there, there’s gonna be a problem.

You know, we have to solve it. And then next thing you know, uh, you know, you work towards that solution. Uh, and, and usually there’s a guide. I mean, if you look at all the movies and all the stories, they all follow a similar path and they all point back to scripture. Right. I mean, it’s just, I thought it was beautiful.

And how you started out with yours. You, you, you, you laid out the cast, you know, you talked about the author to Hero, to Love, interest and the Enemy. And then I, I’m just curious. You mentioned God’s gotta be our heart’s desire. We, we try to speak to, to Christian men here. Why do you think there’s so many, uh, Christian men in particular that struggle with that idea of God being the author of their story?

Cuz so many guys, they want to be their own, right? We wanna do our own things. I got this, I got this. Versus understanding that God is the, the capital a author of the story.

14:31 Bob Wheatley
100%. Yeah. That’s something that I wrestled with quite a bit, even as I was writing the book. Like, I still have, I, I want to live in the spirit, but I still have my flesh.

It’s that constant war of all right, who’s, who’s gonna get the yes here? The animal fleshly sinful me or the sanctified saved spirit God-like, you know, godly man. I need to make that decision every day. And so I, I, I also would say that just with my background, specifically being in sports, we are taught the exact opposite.

Like it’s, Hey, you need to be first one in last one out. Control the controllables. One thing I heard in baseball a lot specifically professionally is, Hey, it’s your career. And so we’re, we’re taught to believe or even like positive affirmations and things like that. And I’m all for positive thinking, right?

I mean, the, the scripture say if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things like mm-hmm. It, it’s totally fine to think positive, but to think that you can somehow manifest things and like you have, it’s just a very American new age, frankly athletic type of thinking. We, we vastly overestimate our control.

We really do, because we might say, and again this says this in scripture, like before you say, I’m gonna go to this or that town, or make this or that plan, you need to bookend that statement with, if the Lord wills, because truth is you and I are gonna go to bed tonight, we’ll be asleep for eight hours.

Our heart will beat thousands of times. And we have no say in the matter. Like we, we have, we have such little control on our lives, and yet whether it’s the American dream, the the athlete’s agenda, like you need to control things. You need to make this happen. It’s all about you and it’s all about your glory.

So, mm-hmm. I think one of the biggest issues, like you mentioned the author of the Story, I’d also tie in the Hero. We need to understand that any story is about a hero. It’s about a protagonist, a main character. And know, I know we’re speaking to men here, but it doesn’t have to be a male hero. Like Kanu Everdeen is the hero, the main character of the Hunger Games.

So she drives the entire narrative, like where she goes, we go as the audience. Mm-hmm. It’s also, if you look at any sort of minor character, a love interest, an enemy, even extra number four that kind of like walks by in the background, they are all there to support the story of the hero. Mm-hmm. Of that main character of Neo, of Kanu, of Bruce Wayne, whatever it might be.

So one thing that we, I think get wrong is with all of these positive affirmations and, you know, being, being ambitious in the American dream, we are taught to believe that we are the hero, the main character of our own story. Like, oh, Chris, you have your story, I have mine. God’s gonna bless ’em both, but there’s individuality in it.

Like, these are the things that we say. It’s not what you find in scripture, it’s just not do nothing out of selfish ambition or Jesus says, whoever loses his life, for my sake, will find it. That is the exact opposite of, oh, it’s your story. You need to, you know, God’s gonna use you to do amazing things.

Like you, you, you, Jesus said, speaking of John the Baptist, this is the greatest man that ever lived. John the Baptist said, I must decrease that. He might increase. So it’s like the exact opposite of what we’re taught. It’s only once you lose your life, it’s only once you understand. No, like, I am not the main character even of my own story.

Mm-hmm. I’m, I’m a supporting character in the story. It’s only once you do that, that things start to make sense. And of course it’s all biblical, like it’s all there. It’s versus that I had read before, but for some reason this lens of story. Then the author, the hero, the love interest. That’s how I was able to see it.

It’s like, oh, okay. Well there, there’s a lot less pressure. If I’m not the main character of this story, I mean, yeah, it’s a real, like, it’s just a, a dagger in the heart of my pride, but mm-hmm. There is less pressure. Maybe I need to get over myself. Maybe I need to live in the way that God has called me to live.

Whoever loses his life will find it. I wanna find life. I’m on board with that. Even though my, my flesh doesn’t like it. I need to kill that cuz it is. It’s true.

19:19 Chris Grainger
Yeah. Amen brother. Amen. Hey guys, we wanna take a quick break. We’ll be right back.

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So, Bob, you were all over it right there, man. I mean, I think so many times as guys in particular, we have that hero mentality. We we’re, we, we, we grow up, we’re in the, the capes, right? Running around in the yard pretending to be the heroes, saving the day. So many times, you know, we think as we grow up and we, we get this responsibility as leaders, whether we’re leading our families or leading in, in our work and our careers, that is all on us.

And yet the, the quickest way to to, to really have that freedom like you’re talking about, is realize it’s not us, right? It’s, it’s, it’s, we, we have to serve and we’re serving him. We’re doing the, the work that we’re the hands and feet of Christ. And if we put that first and foremost in our lives, that’s gonna direct everything else we do.

And then, you know, we can do heroic things through Christ who strengthens us, right? So, I mean, I just, I’m so glad you went there because so many guys I think are listening right now. They’re trying to be the hero day in and day out, man, that, that’s just too much pressure.

21:00 Bob Wheatley
100%. I totally agree. Amen. I felt that.

I was living that.

21:06 Chris Grainger
Well talk, talk to us a little bit more about that. Where, where, where was that pressure getting to you at, where you were trying to be the hero?

21:12 Bob Wheatley
Yeah. I would say it specifically played itself out when I was playing professionally. Um mm-hmm. I said, and again, if I go back to the subtitle of my book, how our stories reveal the thing we Want Most, it’s kind of a twofold thing in that when you hear stories, you might think Batman, the Hunger Games, so on and so forth.

Mm-hmm. But it’s also talking about the stories that we tell ourselves, how our stories reveal the thing we want most. So the things that I was saying is, if I could only get to the big leagues, dot, dot, dot, mm-hmm. I would be respected. I would be a man, I would be whatever. And so the way that played out as far as the pressure that I was putting in myself, and for the record, there’s nothing wrong with working hard.

Not at all. There, there is nothing wrong with having a dream and chasing it specifically if you feel like God has put that on your heart. Amen. And if he has, you’ll accomplish it. Like it says in scripture that God has prepared good works in advance for you. Like it’s, it’s done. It is, it’s set in stone.

It’s written in the book. You just haven’t gotten there yet. Mm-hmm. Problem becomes when it’s not written in the book and you’re still chasing it, that’s the proverbial chasing your tail. Mm-hmm. So I like, I, I would say that I wasn’t a Christian until I was 25, which sounds strange because I was baptized at 12.

Mm-hmm. Went to Christian middle schools, Christian high schools. I was around the church a lot. But the true measure of a believer is now what they say. It’s not what their calendar looks like, it’s how they obey. It’s obedience. Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep my commandments. That’s an if then statement.

If you truly love me. Mm-hmm. You will obey me. Even if it’s inconvenient for you. Your love for me will trump your desire to sin. And that doesn’t mean that we do it perfectly. Nobody can do it perfectly other than Jesus. I mean, Paul said, I do what I don’t want to do. It’s like I’ve thought about this.

It’s on paper like I don’t want to sin, and yet I still do. But it’s that wrestling that the true Christian goes through. Like, man, I can’t believe I looked at that girl on the side of the street again. Like I’m so, I’m so tired of doing that. That’s a Paul. You know Roman seven. I do what I don’t want to do.

Mm-hmm. I don’t think I was in that place until I was 25. I didn’t really care about obeying him. There were some areas that were easy, like, you know, I wasn’t the guy that went out in college and got hammered drunk in, you know, sex, drugs, rock and roll. That was like, I was a little different in that regard.

I might have had like a Christian label in that regard, but there were some other things that I knew he commanded of me just in scripture and I was like, eh, not on board with that. He forgives after all, we’re all good, right? If you love me, you will keep my commandments. Like I, I did not have the fear of the Lord in me.

It was kind of this, Jesus is my get at a health re card, which is true, but not if you don’t. I mean, the, the, the key to accept that is love. It’s it’s faith, you know, in Christ alone through faith alone. So, I was, I was stepping into this world. I’m a, I’m a big Dietrich Bon Hoffer guy and he talks about in the cost of discipleship, his book, it’s called Cheap Grace.

I was in the world of Cheap Grace. Hmm. Where it’s like, oh, well he died on the cross for my sins. I pray before dinner, so I’m going to heaven. Right? That’s kinda how it works, right? Like, and it, I gave myself license to continue sinning cuz I, I knew that his grace would always be there. That’s, that’s not what scripture says like that, that’s the dangerous thing.

I had been, you know, I had been around the church for a long time and thinking I, oh, I have this get outta health free card. I can kind of just have a license to sin because there’s a cross on the back of my high school jersey. Right? It’s like, that’s not what we see in scripture. Hebrews 10 26, in my opinion, is the most.

Dangerous. The scariest verse in all of scripture, it says, if you continue sinning deliberately after coming to the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin. That’s scary. Mm-hmm. Because if you know it’s wrong and you do it deliberately thinking that you just have this miraculous, get outta health, recard, your sins are not forgiven.

There’s no sacrifice. Right. So when I was confronted with that, it was like, okay, I know I’m gonna be a sinner forever on this earth. I need to choose what kind of sinner I am. I’m either the, the Romans seven sinner. I do what I don’t want to do, like I’m really fighting it. I hate sin. I don’t wanna do it or mm-hmm.

I’m the Unforgiven Hebrews 10 26 center that is dead in my sins, living in cheap grace, and it doesn’t need to be overcomplicated. Jesus said, if you love me, you’ll keep my commandments. So I don’t think I started loving him until I was 25. Once I did everything changed. Mm-hmm. What,

26:55 Chris Grainger
I mean what, what was the trigger point then when when you turned 25?

What

26:58 Bob Wheatley
happened? I frankly, I failed. I failed big enough and often enough that I just surrender my life to him. So, and I tell you about this in the first chapter of the book, I had a long standing relationship that ended in a pretty ugly way. My baseball career ended, so the big league dream is dead. I was running a protein bar business when I played in the minor league, so that was kind of like plan B or plan one A.

That business went under. And so it’s like everything that I envisioned this air quote Christian life, where I have the girl, I have the business, I have the dream like, yeah, this is gonna be great. All we need now is the white picket fence. Everything was gone, and I was just so broken that I finally gave my life over to him, you know, come coming on my knees.

Like, Lord, here’s, here’s my life. I’m done. I’m done being the quarterback of my life. I want you to choose everything. Show me where you want me to go. Show me what you want me to do for work here. Here’s my relationships. Like I’ve proven, I, I, you know, can’t pick right there either. Evidently, I’m a pretty bad God.

Will you please be mine? Mm-hmm. That’s, that’s when it happened. Fortunately, I just, I failed big enough and painful enough that I gave my life over. I

28:22 Chris Grainger
mean, that’s a pretty common story too, right? I mean, so many guys that I’ve talked to part of our community as well, I mean, you only get to the point where you need it, where you re, you recognize you need him when you can’t do it yourself, and you just reach that point of brokenness.

And I mean, it’s a shame that so many guys have that story, but it’s definitely relatable, Bob. For sure. I mean, I think that definitely resonates with, with so many of us. And you know, kind of just pulling on a little bit further, in your book, you talk about the enemy, and I’m tell you what, that chapter just, it grabbed it, it gripped me big time.

And I loved your analogy when you started talking about, it’s, it’s in your book where you start talking about the fish analogy. I’m sure you remember that one where I think you were talking to a pastor friend and he was, and just to, for you guys, I, I, I wanna share this with you guys cause I think this is so good.

Again, this is just one little piece, you’re gonna have to go get the book. But he talks about there was once a river and the river was a fisherman’s dream and had, it had people that come from all over to Fishes River, right? And they ended up, what happened was, They completely overfished it and the river ended up being empty and they, they had a remedy and they wanted to bring in fish from a, from a supplier to basically, you know, replenish what had been lost there.

And truck after truck, the fish came, but every time the truck get would get there, the fish were dead. And they were wondering what was going on. And so they had someone, they, they looked at it says the, they, they, they finally figured out you have a fear problem. So the, the food is right, the temperature’s good, but it’s only be because they, they aren’t moving when the fish were being transported that there was no enemy there.

He’s like, if you want them to make it all the way, put a threat in the tank. And that just like, boom, it just right me back on my heels when I read it. So, man, the threaten the tank, why is that bad guy necessary sometimes to help us realize, you know, more importantly that we do need Christ.

30:09 Bob Wheatley
Yeah, definitely.

Well, I’m glad, I’m glad that stuck with you. I felt the same. I mean, the way I, I tell that story in the book. I’m literally just sitting across the table from a pastor who’s sharing that story with me live. And frankly, I have no idea if that’s scientific or not. I don’t know what kind of fish, I don’t know if they, it works for me, man’s gonna go with it.

But like the moral of that story where, what he was getting at, I think there is truth in that. Mm-hmm. And what he was saying is, if there is no enemy, then we’re not truly alive. There’s no real, like, we become lethargic. It’s the tiger in the wild versus the tiger at the zoo. And so the importance of the enemy in our story or, or really any story, it could be, you know, fiction or, or history, the Bible.

A hero, or sorry, a a an enemy is a minor character in a sense. Mm-hmm. Like it’s an important minor character, but the story is about the hero. So the enemy is there to help us learn more about that hero. It’s all, it is, it’s oftentimes like the, it’s the antagonist. It’s the opposite to it’s the bad, to his good or something like that.

And so the, the enemy, Satan, Lucifer, like even he has a key role in our story now, his ends, his motivations are always bad. Like, let’s not be confused, but he is in a sense, a puppet of God Now, I mean, the word says that God will not tempt us to sin or things like that. Like it is truly Satan’s free will that does it, but, It’s so funny.

Like you, you think of God not necessarily as the hero, as the author, like writing everything. Mm-hmm. There’s nothing that Satan can do that will somehow flummox God. He’s not confused though, like, oh man, that was a good move. Checkmate like God is ordaining everything in human history. Whether it’s the story of Joseph, right?

You have that very famous Genesis 50 20 talking to his brothers, you guys who sold me into slavery, you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good. So God used all of these evil things, 13 years of pain. For Joseph, it was meant for good the entire time. Mm-hmm. Like it’s not confusing, it’s not out of God’s control.

Like every single thing though, painful was exactly what was supposed to happen. Or even the, the biggest, most obvious example of all, they actually killed Jesus on the surface. That seems like a really bad thing. That’s exactly what God, the author wanted. Mm-hmm. Yeah. When it comes to the enemy, uh, I, I, I don’t think we should think of Satan as like, oh, like you’re, you know, you’re a part of this story and God’s using you, and we’re kind of like, same, same.

We’re we’re teammates. Like, no, not at all. He hates us. Let’s not forget that. Mm-hmm. But we’ve, we have triumphed over him. Sin, death, the devil, Jesus did it all. And the author, he’s written it all. So we, we are conquerors. We need an enemy. The hero God will be glorified because of the enemy. Even more so, like if there was no enemy, we might not need, uh, we might not see God’s forgiveness.

We might not see his power coming back on a, on a white horse. Like there are all things that we’ll learn about God and have learned. Because there’s evil, because there’s, uh, an enemy in the tank, so to say. It’s all part of it. Yeah.

33:50 Chris Grainger
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So, man, let’s pull on that a little bit more, Bob. I mean, so far as an enemy, I know one tool that the enemy uses, and I hear from so many of our listeners and our guys in our community that it’s that, that that tool of doubt and discouragement. And you, you talk about it a little bit in your book as well, but you know, that he say uses that effectively, man.

So how do you see that impacting men particularly the hardest?

35:17 Bob Wheatley
Yeah. Uh, I think doubt is something that everybody wrestles with mm-hmm. At one point or another. And I, I don’t know if it’s possible for us to completely skirt it during our time on earth. Mm-hmm. Because like it says in scripture, we still see through a glass dimly.

Like we, we do not know God as we are known. We don’t see him face to face. There’s more to look forward to. Mm-hmm. There’s more intimacy to be had and we still have an enemy. Like even though the tomb was empty, And sin has been defeated, like, we’re still living in this fallen world. This, this is kinda like a road game.

Like, hey, it’s still gonna be difficult. Like the crowd is against us, stuff like that. We can still win this game, but we are not on home turf here. Mm-hmm. So a as far as doubt, yeah. I, I think it’s something that we all wrestle with. I would also say, uh, this is actually a, a, a quote from my boss, Rory Vaden.

He’s a New York Times bestseller. He is a Hall of Fame speaker. He’s a believer, he’s kind of in the discipline, you know, motivation, self-help space, but he’s very much a Christian. You can, you can tell in his writing, and he says that fear or doubt is our, um, he says, oh, I’m sorry, I’m, I’m butchering his quote live.

He says, it’s our, uh, our imagination working in the wrong direction. Hmm. Like, If you’re doubting, if you have fear, whatever you’re thinking of, like whatever’s on the other side of that, when you finish the sentence, it hasn’t happened yet. Like you’re just, it is your imagination working in the wrong direction.

You’re thinking about the wrong things. So I don’t know if there’s any like, tried and true antidote. Antidote to prevent fear, to prevent doubt other than scripture. But again, that’s just the, that’s the human condition. You know, day by day we have to continue to remind ourselves of what the truth is and have people in our lives that remind us.

Cause we’re, I mean, we’re, there is no, there’s no solo players in this life. You know, we’ve, we’ve all been gifted in specific ways and things like that, but I think God did that intentionally to where there’s not a single person where, like if you’re a, let’s say you’re a Madden player, there are no 100 s.

Right. There’s no person, no human on earth. That is a hundred. You know, you might have some that are more gifted than others, but there’s always a gap, always. So mm-hmm. That gap has to be filled necessarily by other people. So, yeah.

38:07 Chris Grainger
Amen to that. I mean, and that’s why we speak so much about the importance of community with our, with our podcast, with our community on, at the line within us too, man.

Because you’re not going, you’re not gonna do this thing alone. I mean, obviously we’re gonna’ have the Holy Spirit, we won’t have the word we’re, have his, his guidance, and then we, you know, we’ll have our spouses, if we are married, we’ll have that. But you gotta have that group of guys around you that are gonna be speaking truth and not just yes men, but those guys that can, when you have those doubts come up, you can bring it and lay it at their feet and they can completely debunk that because they know you.

They know the, the truth. They know they can see, you know, the, the, the power that exists in you. And sometimes we can’t see it ourselves. We gotta have those guys, cuz those external. Factors, those external struggles that you talk about in your book too. That stuff’s real man. And it can just absolutely beat us down.

I’m curious from your standpoint on that, like how are guys not, not recognizing some of those struggles that are existing right now? I mean, we’re just, sometimes we’re just getting beat and we don’t even see the struggles.

39:05 Bob Wheatley
I mean, I go back to the matrix analogy like that, that is the matrix. It’s something that you can’t see, taste or touch.

You kinda just float through life thinking, oh, like this, this is just how it is. Or not thinking at all that that would be the worst. Yeah, and there are a bunch of schemes of the enemy, I think specifically, just cuz I know it’s, it’s, you know, a man that’s listening to this. It’s oftentimes work, it’s busyness, it’s responsibility.

I’ll be s I’ll be so curious and I, this is something that I could definitely do better in too, just cuz I’m routinely pretty busy. I’ll be so curious what work looks like in heaven. I know, right. Or what work looked like for Adam, you know, when he was tending to the garden, when he was naming the animals before the fall.

Just so curious what work looked like or felt like. Mm-hmm. You know, was it, let’s say there, there was a 24 hour day, you know, in this scenario, like, was it a nine to five? Did you have a little mid-afternoon siesta? You know, like, I’m just, I’m so curious, what did work look like? Because I know for me, like I am working significantly more than a nine to five.

Is that a Christian thing? And I’m just, that’s the season that I’m in as a single man. Like, I can do a lot. Mm-hmm. Or is that an American thing and something that I need to rid myself of? Mm-hmm. I wish I knew, like I’m doing the best I can to, to find, find truth. Um, but yeah, it’s a, it’s a great, it’s a great question.

I think when it comes to our work, That, that might be one thing that kind of keeps us blinded to the things that are most important. But again, going back to what Jesus said, whoever loses his life, for my sake within that life is the work, the making money, stuff like that. Mm-hmm. That’s all a part of it.

41:00 Chris Grainger
It definitely is. It definitely is. I mean, in your, I’m curious with you, man, I wanna know what that work looks like. I makes anxious to see, you know, what it’s gonna are. We’re gonna be tired. I mean, we’re gonna have the glorious bodies, but I, I just look forward to just doing whatever he tells us to do and man, it’s just gonna be awesome.

But I mean, we’re here, we’re, we’re put here to work now too. I don’t believe in the nine to five thing. If you’re doing that, you’re leaving a lot on the table. I think you could be doing for the Lord. For sure. Absolutely. So I just think I, I appreciate you unpacking that and you, cause you talk about the external struggles, but you also talked about the internal struggles.

We’ve talked about that a little bit already, but I’m want just to get a little bit more of your insight on those internal struggles that we. All these guys at varying degrees. Sometimes we fall into what I call this, like that false victory trap, right? I mean, we just, we kind of think that we gotta figured out, but we don’t.

So maybe what do you think that, that the men in particular that can be looking for to kind of recognize those instances when they start happening in our

41:55 Bob Wheatley
lives? You’re talking about the internal show, those like how would you know? Yeah. So just for a little context, what Chris is referring to here. I break up my book into four sections.

So the first section, we’ve kind of touched on it a good bit. It’s meeting the cast, author, hero, love, interest enemy. The next three are just the three acts of a story. Act one, act two, act three. So act one is usually that external problem where you start in paradise. That paradise is undone. There’s an enemy in the tank, right?

This stuff we’ve been talking about, that second act is kind of what you’re getting to here, Chris. It’s, it’s the internal struggle. And if you’ll notice in books, in movies, things like that, in the middle, like that middle hour or so, the enemy usually disappears or at least goes very, very quiet. Like just start paying attention to the movies that you’re, that you watch in the coming months.

In the middle, it’s usually the good guys and they’re just kind of bickering. It’s either a group of friends, it’s, you know, if you’re in, you know, you’re lost at sea. It’s the two friends that are on a boat, right? Like, how do we get outta this? Mm-hmm. It could be the, the hero and the love interest. She loves me, she loves you.

Not there’s some sort of of dance. That’s why I call it the internal struggle. There’s not a lot of external stuff. It’s not like, oh, there’s a, there’s an enemy in the tank. Like, no, that already happened. Now they’re just like wrestling with stuff. Mm-hmm. And so in our own lives, and I, I talk about this in the book, there’s the, if we go back to the, uh, that dance, she loves me.

She loves who not the way that I put it in the book, there’s two chapters back to back. She doubts it, he proves it. That’s kind of the, the love interest of a story is questioning the hero’s love. And it could be just because of her brokenness, her woundedness, or maybe the hero put his foot in his mouth, you know, he did the wrong thing and she, she doubts his love for good reason.

But you have this back and forth where she doubts it, but then he, he proves that his intentions are good. So then she believes it just a little bit more. It’s not completely mm-hmm. But a little bit more. And then you see that back and forth. She, she still doubts. He proves it again and again and again.

And that’s exactly what we see in scripture in the Old Testament with the, the miracles. 40 years in the wilderness walls of Jericho. Like all of those things where Israel’s doubting God proves. Mm-hmm. But bringing it to us, we see that in our own hearts. Like we have, you mentioned doubt or fear before, like that, that is a, I I’m doubting, I’m doubting myself.

That might be like a, a, a misguided thought. You know, you’re supposed to put your trust in God, not necessarily yourself. Again, if you’re not the hero, why, why are you trusting yourself anyway? Like God says, I will take care of you. Remember the birds of the air. Remember the grass of the field. I’ve got this.

I’m gonna take care of you. And so when it comes to the internal struggles, it’s oftentimes we take our eyes off of the truth. I mean, that, that, that’s always it. Take our eyes off of the truth of what God says, and oftentimes we get our, our role, uh, incorrect. We start thinking that we’re the hero. We start heaping on responsibility and stuff like that.

Like, oh, how do I hit this deadline for my next book? Or Is there gonna be enough money at the end of the month? Or whatever it is. We do have some say in that like, we’re supposed to act with wisdom and the Bible talks about us being punished or they’re being ramifications for dumb decisions. Like we do have the autonomy to act with wisdom, but it’s not our responsibility to, to make sure that everything’s okay that’s so much bigger than us.

And so I think our internal struggle, there’s gonna be a bunch of different faces to it. It’ll look different for each individual man, but like the master sin is just, you’re taking your eyes off of God. Mm-hmm. He’s got you. Be anxious for nothing.

46:08 Chris Grainger
Yeah. Amen. At that brother. We’ll look, we’ll take our last break guys.

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So, Bob, ma’am, we’ve talked a lot about stories and I know the guys are sitting there thinking, and they said that maybe they’re, they’re riding down the road right now, or maybe they’re on a walk or wherever they’re at and they’re thinking, well, you know what? This office sounds great, but my story’s not good.

You know, my story’s never gonna have a good in ending. What are you gonna tell, tell, tell that guy.

47:11 Bob Wheatley
Yeah. It’s a, what you’re really asking is what, how do we deal with bad stuff? How could a good God let bad things happen? Because some people don’t have this amazing, you know, Michael Jordan type of life in your industry.

Mm-hmm. Right? I’m the, I’m the goat best ever big bank account. Everybody loves me. Right? Like, we don’t all get that. Some people have really tough goes of it mm-hmm. On this earth and all. I would say if you’re listening to this and you’re kind of in one of those seasons, I would just encourage you to again, zoom out and look at the entire story.

Remember what God has said you will have. Because our time here, there’s a bunch of different analogies in scripture. It’s, it’s a mist, it’s a vapor, it’s a, it’s a whisper. It’s, it’s like the wind is just gone as soon as it came. And it doesn’t feel like that when you’re in it, like each and every day feels like an eternity, but eventually it will end in everything that you want.

Again, going back to what, like what is the story that you keep telling yourself? You want that paradise to be restored. You want the, the, the work that doesn’t feel like a burden. You want to see power, you want companionship, you want love. Those are all good things that you will have guaranteed. You will have those things in heaven.

In fact, I mean scripture, scripture almost leaves it open as far as what, what we will have in heaven because it says the mind of man has not conceived what God has waiting for us. Like you could do your best. You could sit and look in the mirror and think really, really hard about, I wonder what heaven has for me.

It literally says in scripture, the mind of man has not conceived it, so that doesn’t negate. What you’re feeling. If you’re in a difficult season, like pain hurts, no matter how helpful it is for you. But our hope is not in this world. It’s just not. Um, can we be blessed on this, on this planet? Of course. Is there anything wrong with having a good life on this planet?

No, but this is the pre-season, right? Some people win, some people lose. But once the pre-season is over and you’re into the real thing, like, it, it, it doesn’t matter. It’s gone. You know, the Chiefs just won the Super Bowl a couple weeks ago. I have no idea what their pre-season record was. It’s totally irrelevant.

That’s right. Like it’s totally irrelevant. We’re just, we’re stuck in the preseason right now. It’s like, oh, we’re, we’re oh for three. You know? Right. Haven’t won a game in the pre-season. That I understand. That’s totally frustrating, but the pre-season always ends. Right. That’s when the real season begins.

That’s

50:03 Chris Grainger
right. So, and oftentimes I think for you guys, if you’re thinking, you know what, my story’s terrible and nothing’s going good, it’s gonna happen. You gotta take yourself out of it. You know, what can you be doing right now to to build a kingdom and do the work that he’s called you to do? Cause I think you’ll find a lot more joy and fulfillment and trying to do that versus.

Just wallowing in your circumstances, because I get it, man. If we’re trying to find happy in our circumstances, that is a scary place to be because circumstances change. And when they change, if we, if we’re, if we keep our, our happiness is routed than that versus the joy of Christ, guys, it’s just going like, like, like Bob just mentioned, it’s going vanish so quickly, man.

So, uh, just, just, I lo I love the whole concept of the story. I love the book, Bob, man. Great, great job, man. I think this is something that can help so many men out there in particular, uh, particularly those movie buffs for sure. I just love all the different movie references you have. Just understand the greater narrative that, that, that we’re

50:59 Bob Wheatley
a part of.

Definitely. Well, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for, thank you for having me. And let me share, uh, just the, what, what has been a, a real mindset shift. For me. Yeah. With stories being the key to access God, for some reason it wasn’t the, the up upbringing that I had that kind of set the foundation, and that’s now it’s like, as I look back on it, it’s so clear.

Like that’s why I’m able to pull all these verses out of a hat. Like I, I studied it when I was 15 so that they are there, but I needed the matrix to help me to understand God in a, in a better way. So thank, thank you for, thank you for sharing that

51:41 Chris Grainger
with me. Absolutely. Well, I love before you go, man, I love, let’s do a quick lightning round.

You the guys, they usually like this. If you’re willing to play, just got, you know, four or five questions, just like, you know, quick speed. Yep. Uh, we’ll just bounce through it and then, then we’ll wrap it up. You good with that? Yep. All right. So man, what’s, what’s your favorite hobby

51:58 Bob Wheatley
Bob? Favorite hobby? Um, I like to hike

52:02 Chris Grainger
hiker.

Nice. Nice. How about if you can only have the same meal every day, what is that going to be? Fried rice. Ooh, fried Rice. Hadn’t heard anybody say that one. Okay. Alright, I hear you. I hear you. So what’s, uh, when you think about God in general, what, what’s your favorite thing about God?

His sovereignty. Isn’t it? Awesome, man, that’s a great answer. His sovereignty is it. Now, let’s flip it. What’s your least favorite thing about Satan? Um,

52:36 Bob Wheatley
I, I try not to think about him a whole lot. Good job. He’s, oh man. He, he’s an important part of the story. Like, I want to remember. I have an enemy, but keep, keep your eyes on Christ.

Okay. He’s

52:50 Chris Grainger
already won. What’s something that, uh, maybe you’re currently struggling with right now?

52:57 Bob Wheatley
I am feeling pretty overwhelmed with, with work stuff. Okay. So I’ve already started writing my second book. I manage a team. In my, with my employer. It’s an awesome job, but it just demands a lot. Mm-hmm. And so I feel like I’m just at capacity, maybe even over, frankly, in terms of workload.

53:16 Chris Grainger
Understand that, brother. Understand that. So, la last two for you. What’s a new habit? Maybe something that you’ve created recently or something that you want to put, start implementing moving

53:25 Bob Wheatley
forward. New habit. I turn off my phone at 9:00 PM

53:30 Chris Grainger
Nice. Okay.

53:32 Bob Wheatley
Completely off. Yep, completely off. I’m trying to go to bed at 10, so I have like that hour window.

First of all, there’s no, no blue light, but also like, I don’t wanna be checking the email at 9 58 or something. So Yeah, that’s a, that’s a new habit that I instituted this year. Phones off at nine. How’s it going for you? It’s been great. I’ve been, I, I think that’s one reason why I’m able to handle that type of workload.

My routine is so dialed in to where like I get, I get pretty good sleep all the time. Yeah. Because I’m willing to turn the movie off, turn the phone off. It’s like, Hey, we talked about this. 9:00 AM no technology. Let’s start winding down. Let’s stretch. Let’s have some tea lights out.

54:15 Chris Grainger
Got it. Perfect. It’s been big.

Last question. That’s a big one, man. La Well, last question for you. What’s one thing that you hope the listeners out there remember from our conversation today?

54:27 Bob Wheatley
I hope they find hope in that idea that God is completely sovereign. He is the author of this story. Nothing is by mistake. Everything is going to his plan.

Even the difficult things, what that means is you just haven’t seen the ending of that story, whether it’s macro or micro. Macro being, you’ll be in heaven one day. The mind of man has not conceived or micro think about the story of Joseph. Mm-hmm. You know, you meant it for evil. God meant it for good. It’s the same thing that that Paul says in Romans 8 28.

God causes all things to work together for your good. It’s not necessarily, you know, again, I wanna encourage you to read Romans 8 29. People forget about that. Mm-hmm. It’s the next verse. It explains that if you get fired, if you get stabbed in the back, God isn’t all of a sudden gonna flip that script and like, oh, like here’s a new job and you make twice as much.

God causes all things to work together. It’s like, no, verse 29 tells us what that means. That you might be conformed to the character of Christ, the first born of many brethren. So if there’s some sort of disappointing thing, again going back to the hope. It’s, it’s just like a, a father, it’s like a, a coach, something like that.

God is using those things to make you better, and it’s not to make your bank account better, it’s literally to make you a better man. Mm-hmm. So I just wanna, I want you to leave with hope. We, we have reasons

55:57 Chris Grainger
to Amen, bro. Where do you want guys to go to get a copy of your book to connect with you? Any social medias, any websites.

Give, give a shout out here and, and, and point ’em where, where they can, uh, get these resources.

56:09 Bob Wheatley
Yep. So again, the name of the book is Our Hearts Desire. You can find it on my website, bob wheatley.com, or you could always go to Amazon. It’s there as well. If you wanted to connect on social media, it’s just at Bob Wheatley.

Super easy. Love to hear from you.

56:24 Chris Grainger
Okay. Which, which platform are you pretty much on? All

56:27 Bob Wheatley
of them? Uh, Instagram is probably the best. For me.

56:30 Chris Grainger
Okay. Yeah. Alright, awesome. And we’ll try to put those, uh, those show links, those links rather into show notes for you guys to check it out. So Bob, man, it’s been a pleasure.

Anything else you’d like to share with our listeners

56:40 Bob Wheatley
today? I got nothing. Thank you so much for having, this was great. All right,

56:45 Chris Grainger
Bob, man, you have a wonderful day guys. Get after it. Uh, check those show notes out for sure. Bob, thank you again, sir. Thank you.

Well guys, I hope you enjoyed that one with Bob. He’s a great guy. Love him str love his heart for the Lord. I mean, how about six years in a row of, of reading the Bible from cover to cover? He is definitely has his, his priorities lined up. He But you heard him at the end, right? He, he’s you guys, we, we hear these guests sometimes and we think they have all their stuff figured out and you heard him directly say he’s struggling because right now he just feels overwhelmed.

Maybe you feel that way too, right? I totally get it. If we feel overwhelmed, maybe our story is just busy. Maybe we need to put, peel some things out of our story. Just make sure we’re focused on the things that are most important. That is, that is first and foremost our relationship with our Heavenly Father.

So guys, if that’s something that, that you’re, uh, missing the boat on right now, it’s okay. Recognize that, you know what, there’s some things of my story that I need to fix. There’s some things with some relationships you need to fix with your kids, with your spouse, with your coworkers, with your boss, with that person who just cut you off in traffic, right?

Maybe instead of that middle finger, maybe just wave, right? And I mean, not wave like me, like just wave, just or pray for ’em. You know? Take those opportunities to walk out your Christian faith in a meaningful way. Cause it’s easy to show up on Sunday, easy to show up on Sunday, but our stories are not compromised of just, or just not, uh, not, are not compromised.

They’re, they’re not put together just based on that one hour. We’re in a Sunday service, right? It’s all the time. It’s all the time. So the question for you guys as we move forward here and going into, to, uh, the end of this episode is how is your old story, your personal story, revealing what you desire most?

Guys, I get it. Stuff’s cool. I I’m not saying that I’m, I’m, I’m anti stuff, but make sure what your heart desires right is the right thing. All right guys. Hopefully enjoyed this one for sure. Share this out with others. That’s the, the quickest way you can help support the show. Uh, another way, give us a rating.

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So maybe you want to consider being a donor. You know, we have weekly, uh, monthly donors. We have, you know, one time donors. Whatever works for you. I can just tell you that your support means the world. It definitely goes to help us do the work that we feel like we’re called to do. And guys, this is work.

This is, this is not easy. This is definitely work to get out, uh, to a podcast three times a week, the community that we’re serving. But guys, we feel like this is where God has called us to do, and I just wanna do it with the absolute best that I can each and every time. When this mic goes hot, I take that very seriously and I don’t wanna pump out anything that’s junk, that’s just filler, anything like that to you guys.

I want bring you guys, uh, the, the absolute truth weekend and week outs. Just thank you for, for taking the time to listen to the line with Dennis us. We love your support there for sure. So go check that stuff out on our website, guys, come back on Friday. We’re gonna have some good fun Friday tips that I think are going to serve you well.

Looking forward to just kind of playing with that story theme a little bit more. One of those tips on Friday. Absolutely. I think if you act, if you take action with it, It will make a big impact in your, in your walk. So guys, have a great day. Come back, look forward to that firm, to that fun Friday with you.

Get after it and unleash the lion within.